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mavrothis
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Live Sound
Hi guys,
I've been experimenting with various things for live sound, from the electric ud to using pick ups and mics.
My latest attempt with a nice condensor mic did not work very well, too much feedback, not enough power. But, I'm now looking at an internal
pickup by K&K (Pure Classic w/ 4 transducers) in combination with an external preamp by Fishman. I'll have to have them installed in the
ouds, but I feel it's the best option for me right now.
I'll let you know how they turn out, it should be taken care of within the next 2 weeks. My friend will install one into my Najarian, and maybe
one into my Dimitris Nahat copy, we'll see.
Take care,
mav
K&K
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Feynfou
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Live Recording
Hello Mav,
I'm replying to this message by a question...
I'm also interested in recording my playing. I'm new in this wounderfull world of OUD, but i do try to make some Takassim...
I tried windows recorder, but the record time doesn't exceed 69 seconds.
Are there any softwares that allow longer recordings?
Regards,
and love for the OUD.
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Walidk
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I use a free software called Audacity to record on computer and convert to mp3.
It's not professional by any means but it does the job for me.
You would need a microphone attached to you computer just like Windows player.
It allows to record much more than 69 seconds..
Look it up on the internet. If you have problems, let me know.
Walid.
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sydney
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Hello Feynfou
A good software to record your taqasim:
Try http://oudpage.tripod.com/
and look on the green list for Rec your oud. there are two programs for you to use Goldwave and n-Track
Good Luck
Emad from sydney
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Elie Riachi
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Hi Mav,
I think the best amplified oud sound is by using mics. Did you try directional mics? To cut down on feedback, try installing the mic in a cone where
the outside of the cone is lined up with thick foam (I know not very cool looking.)
Elie
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Greg
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Trick Windows Sound Recorder
| Quote: | Originally posted by Feynfou
I tried windows recorder, but the record time doesn't exceed 69 seconds.
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Feynfou,
You can use Windows Recorder to record longer than 60 seconds by using the following trick.
1/ Record 60 seconds of nothing.
2/ When it stops at the 60 second mark, invoke Edit/Copy.
3/ Then Edit/Paste Insert (now you have 120 seconds.)
4/ Each time you invoke Edit/Paste Insert you add another 60 seconds.
5/ When it has sufficient length for your purposes, take the slider back to 0:00 seconds and begin recording your taqsim. (it will continue recording
for the new duration)
To further refine this method, you can actually save off the original recording of nothing (say 4 minutes) and load it up each time you want to record
another taqsim.
Regards,
Greg
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mavrothis
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Hey,
I've installed the K&K pickups in two of my ouds. They sound pretty good with a preamp. Mics are always best, but not ideal in every
situation.
We've had some real nice dialogue on live sound at my forum - Oud Cafe Forum
For live recording, lots of people recommend just buying a CD burner and hooking it up to the console/amp you are using and simply record while you
play. That's up to 80 min of recording time.
mav
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mercm525i
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k&k sound
hey i have the k&k sound system on my oud. It's the twin spot classic with the pure preamp. it souds very rich and deep and there are no
problems with reverb. Order from the factory website, its cheaper. They have a sound sample online of the oud and it sounds very real for my oud. I
highly recommend it. Battery life is 250hours on the preamp, which uses a 9V battery. You want to search with your fingers where the most vibration is
coming from and that is where to put the transducers, one on the left and one on the right...good luck
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mavrothis
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Hi,
The pickup I used by K&K actually has 4 transducers, it's the Pure Classic version. It sounds pretty good, and should work fine for the
smaller venues I'll be playing in (hopefully more and more  ).
I think sometime I'd like to try the AKG C411 also, it seems to have a great reputation.
Take care,
mav
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Multi Kulti
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Hi everybody..
Mav you made the best decision to buy the Pro-eq platinum from Fishman.Its the best preamp and can be combined with the AKG-C411. I use this setup 2-3
years now and i am very pleased with the sound i get...
Try it out...
Ta leme
Nikos
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mavrothis
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Geia sou megale,
Could you tell us what setup you use with the phantom power requirements of the AKG through the preamp?
Do you have a pa mixer, or do you use a phantom power unit.
Na'sai kala,
mav
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Multi Kulti
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So i use the AKG-C411 the older series(not with the XLR output) .That has a small volume preamp which is necessary.Then i connect it to Pro-Eq
Platinum from Fishman and then to the main-mixer or if you want to a personal amp-monitor.
If you want more power you could buy 2 C411's and connect them to the same volume preamp from Akg (it has 2 parallel inputs) and then to the
Pro-eq.The 2 mics you should put them at the 2 edges of the bridge or on the bridge.So you have a balanced bass and treble sound and you can adjust
the volume separately.
Ufff ta katafera
Nikos
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mavrothis
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Euxaristw!
mav
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wfspark
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love sound
Hey guys. For my setup, I have the Dean Markly sweetspot pickup that is attached to the edge of the bridge of my oud. It is then connected to an ampeg
V4 bass amp from the 70's. The amp is powerfull enough to pick up the sound, and I have the EQ set so I get pretty much the same sound as the old
oud recordings of the 70's and earlier. Let me know what you guys think.
William F. Sparks
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oudplayer
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hey all
umm what do you thin the best cheapest way to amplafiy my oud i have a like a cheap turkish oud but i wanna plug it in and wanna spend alot of money
and what the easyest one to install or just to put on
thx
sammy
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mavrothis
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Hey,
For a cheap and reasonably good sound, use the K&K twin spot. It works great.
Take care,
mav
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Feynfou
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THANKS
Hello friends,
I just want to thank every one who took time to answer my (old) question about recording my playing.
I used the one with copy paste from Greg. thanks man.
This helped me a lot. I now know how my playing sounds...I gotta to practice
Kepp it up friends
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hama
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Hi all
has any body uses C411 L AKg on ouds
http://www.dv247.com/microphones/akg-c-411-l-acoustic-pick-up-minia...
is it any good, does it need an adaptor ? any feed back on the sound quality ?
does it need to be connect to MPa III L Micro Mic phantom adaptor ??
http://www.dv247.com/microphones/akg-mpa-iii-l--28052
or the C411 L can be connected directly to the pre amp without an adaptor?
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Luttgutt
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Hi Hama!
I used it until 2003 if I still remember well. I still have it but don't use anymore. Now using Shadow for oud.
At the time, both I and my sound man, were impressed by the "quality" of the sound. But not as much by the "strenght" (volume).
It was too week to play in a normal jazz setting (piano, base, sax, guitar, drums...).
But if you are not to compeet with such instruments, the sound is good, well balanced, and good possibilities for adjustments.
The wood might be dead, but the oud is alive.
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fernandraynaud
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When you say too weak, you mean that if you turned the amp up enough to play with piano, bass, etc, you would be ruined by feedback?
The shadow mounts in the string loops? Which model do you like best?
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hama
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thanks luttgutt, just found out they have C411 Pp aswell which can be connected directly to the mixer without adaptor , do you know much about that
one?
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Luttgutt
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You are welcome Hama!
But I have no idea what the defference is between C411 pp
and C411 L.
I am not even sure wich one I have! I'll check when I get home...
The wood might be dead, but the oud is alive.
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hama
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C411L needs Phantom power adaptor,
C411pp connects direct to XLR connector on the Mixer ( i think) takes power direct from the mixer which is good for my purpose
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Luttgutt
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You mean that C411 pp does not need a battery?
The wood might be dead, but the oud is alive.
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hama
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