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Jono Oud N.Z
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MAQAM SABA
I have only a few recordings of Arabic music in Saba.
My favourite is 'Howa Sahih..'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTINE7kHFMs
Saba is rare to find in recordings...
It is more common in Turkish music, but I prefer the old tuning...
Can anyone add some more (preferably with vocal) pieces?
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Here's something from Nazem al-Ghazali:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCfrxRVeORA
It seems to be rare in Arabic music, but it is extremely common in Qur'an recitation for some reason, if you're into that. Some famous cantors use it
almost exclusively.
It's also used in a lot of Moroccan folk music, in a sort of hypnotically repetitive way. I'll see if I can find something online (but it's an
acquired taste, and I'm not sure if I've acquired it myself).
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Isn't it the commonest maqam for the before-dawn call to prayer?
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Here are a few.
Farid El Atrash - Mush Mumkin (I'm almost sure this recording is fast by a quartertone, but be that as it may):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK4sffFuKVc
Sabah - Ya Kawini Ya Ali, Composed by Farid El Atrash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rl1RjeXor8
Sabah Fakhri singing a group of Syrian qudud in Saba:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIWpa0dbpMY
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Jono Oud N.Z
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Cool!!
Thanks all you you
About the dawn prayers, I heard Saba in Petra and Sinai.
I was thinking that because Saba is often very sad people prefer to use 'happier' maqamat, which is understandable.
Also I have heard Saba referred to as the 'wind of the East'.
I think it depends on the rhythmic modes as well; fast, slow etc, or whether is is used in a religious or secular context.
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Also "Ibnil Balad" by Abdel Wahab:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvXbQAVKQmc&feature=player_embed...
(Couldn't find the original on youtube).
Saba is very common in Arabic music, but more often as a modulation.
My hypothesis is that since Saba is the most intense maqam, there are not a lot of pieces that start in Saba, rather it is used to create drama as a
modulation at some point. If you start with such an intense sound, it is difficult to sustain that for a longer piece.
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Hmm, I've never heard a call-to-prayer done in Saba - well, I may have heard it when I was in Petra, but I didn't know maqam from macaroni then. I'll
have to keep my ears open if I'm ever out that way again. For the adhan in Morocco they usually stick to Hijaz, Rast or Bayati (or a monotone). The
Arabs love Saba, though. An easy way to please my good lady wife is to break out a little bit of Saba on the nay 
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there is a Sabah Samai composed by Abd-El Fatah Soukar in Jabakji's book.
dont know anything else about the composer though...
I will try to upload a copy if I can
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There are very few saba samais or bachraf in Ottoman tradition also.
I guess because this specific maqam has a very beautiful and distinguish timbre, But also has limited seyir.
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A couple of religious songs from Syria in Saba (an emotive, long mawwal precedes it; in
9:52min it turns to a different performance):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt8ns0MPARg
I have a recording of Sabri Mudallal of several songs in Saba (I suspect of religious nature
as well, although my Arabic is very limited):
Sabri Mudallal - 3al Yana + Ya Mas3adiq
Sabri Mudallal - Taqsim Saba Nay + Mawwal Saba
Sabri Mudallal - Ya Albi Leih + Ya Man Gafa
And a dour in Saba by Saleh Abdel Hay.
In this last recording I can feel the hard-to-sustain intensity
Brian Prunka has noted.
Nate.
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I don't know whether Tahmila is a strictly Ottoman genre or Arabic but
this was a nice performance of Tahmila Saba by the Michigan Arab Orchestra
Takht Ensemble:
(link removed; forum changes it for some reason to a nonexistent video)
And this is a beautiful rendition of Sama3i Saba and a tear-jerking nay
taqsim at the end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwOh4hJNsM4
Nate.
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That dour I posted by Saleh Abdel Hay is "A3ashaq il Khales", originally recorded by
Abdel Hay Hilmi. Here's a rather poor quality recording but bear in mind this is
c. 1910-1920:
Abdel Hay Hilmi - A3ashaq il Khales
Dawoud Housni has also recorded this dour:
Dawoud Housni - A3ashaq il Khales
Jews, in their usual tradition of taking existing melodies in the Arabian repertoire
and writing religious songs in similar rhyming syllables (onomatopoeia), have
come up with "El Rahum Halets Yedidkha" ("Oh Merciful God Rescue Your Friend"
in quite a literal translation). We can discuss the merits and disadvantages of having
a derivative rather than original musical culture elsewhere (not to mention the billions
in royalties my people owe to Oum Kalthoum alone lol) . I don't have a recording
of it though.
Another dour, Maheb Ghirak (not sure about the spelling),
by Dawoud Housni in Saba:
Dawoud Housni - Maheb Ghirak
Both adwar sound pretty much the same which is perhaps the "problem" of
Saba's limited reach.
Nate.
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I think A3ashaq il Khales is in maqam Dilanshin but draws more heavily
on Saba jins than say, 3eshna wa-Shufna. The Hebrew version is listed here
under Dilanshin.
It's very difficult to maintain this kind of sound, a kind of lingering sorrow.
Nate.
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Hi.
Thanks very much for all the links and info'.
I will check out these pieces soon.
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... but this was a nice performance of Tahmila Saba by the Michigan Arab Orchestra Takht Ensemble:
(link removed; forum changes it for some reason to a nonexistent video)
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I was wondering what's the problem with that link - it's containing the other word for a rooster and is filtered by the word filter for the forum
software to "<b>rooster</b>". This is actually not very helpful. 
I'm afraid there's no way to post that particular link to this forum. But you can search YouTube for the video by using the words "Tahmila Saba - Old
Traditional arr."
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Tahmila+Saba+-+Old+Trad...
the first video in the result list is it.
greetings.
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Jono Oud N.Z
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Just been checking out more of these pieces.
I am glad that the Michigan Arab Orchestra is working now.
Amazing players!
I am a big fan of Abdel hay Hilmi, Sabah Fakhri and all the others mentioned too.
It would be good to have a full Wasla Suite in Saba.
Al Kindi have touched on a short one, and this Bashraf:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rohX2zHUbk
Does anyone know the composer of this Bashraf?
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Quote: Originally posted by Jono Oud N.Z  | Just been checking out more of these pieces.
I am glad that the Michigan Arab Orchestra is working now.
Amazing players!
I am a big fan of Abdel hay Hilmi, Sabah Fakhri and all the others mentioned too.
It would be good to have a full Wasla Suite in Saba.
Al Kindi have touched on a short one, and this Bashraf:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rohX2zHUbk
Does anyone know the composer of this Bashraf?
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It appears to be from this CD. The back cover doesn't
list the composer but perhaps it's written in the CD liner notes.
Nate.
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This gets round the censorship problem:
http://tinyurl.com/MichiganArabOrchestra
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Jono Oud N.Z
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Unfortunately there is no mention of the composer of the Bashraf Saba (Al Kindi).
It may be a Turkish piece possibly?
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You could contact al-Kindi and ask:
http://www.alkindi.org/anglais/contact_us/contact_us.htm
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I will.
Thanks, good idea.
Also...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHox7FUviNk
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There was a post a while back by David Parfitt pertaining
to the composer of this samai with no replies. Amazing
playing!
Here's Zakariya Ahmed with a young woman singing
Nisi 3a Laq 7ayirga3 (not sure about spelling and
individual words) in Saba:
Zakariya Ahmed - Nisi 3a Laq 7ayirga3
Nate.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Jono Oud N.Z | Just been checking out more of these pieces.
I am glad that the Michigan Arab Orchestra is working now.
Amazing players!
I am a big fan of Abdel hay Hilmi, Sabah Fakhri and all the others mentioned too.
It would be good to have a full Wasla Suite in Saba.
Al Kindi have touched on a short one, and this Bashraf:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rohX2zHUbk
Does anyone know the composer of this Bashraf?
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Al Kindi also have recorded a Saba wasla of nearly 40 minutes in length. It's the second half of Disc One in the double cd set released by Chant du
Monde, called Le Salon de Musique d'Alep/The Allepian Music Room.
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Hi.
Good point, I have that Al Kindi one too.
It's a good one for sure.
The composer or the Saba Bashraf maybe Tawfiq Al Sabbagh, my friend told me recently.
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I can think of a Saudi song called AlAmakin by Mohammed Abduh on Saba...
you can find on this link.... it is a very popular and sad song....
In Saudi SABA is a very sad maqam...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mztgfvpiECI
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Oum Koulthoum's Lessa Faker. The second part modulates into Saba. I dont have a link handy but its worth a listen.
I think like Brian said earlier, saba can achieve dramatic effects when it comes as an unexpected modulation. Thats the feeling we call Tarab.
But for that feeling to be achieved, it cant be overdone...
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