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[*] posted on 8-4-2013 at 01:44 AM
Do you know this rhythm?


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"Music From Lebanon And The Levant Of The Arab Renaissance_ The Legacy Of Miha'il Massaqa (1800-1888)" -> http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=7795#pid687...

Track 16 A-r-Rast

It's a simple 2/4 but I don't know the name.





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[*] posted on 8-5-2013 at 07:22 AM


We usually call it wahda, but there is probably a more accurate name. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will chime in.
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[*] posted on 8-5-2013 at 12:25 PM


I use to play wahda-kabir on my keyboard, it's 4/4 (or 8/4 in this case) with a single "Doum" on the first beat. I dug a little deeper and I would say Malfuf!?
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[*] posted on 8-6-2013 at 07:04 AM


Malfuf is more accurate.
Wahda is usually played slower with more filler beats in between the main beats. Usually 4/4.
Malfuf is usually played faster with fewer fillers, 2/4.
Both have similar main beats, but have totally different character and usage.
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[*] posted on 8-6-2013 at 08:01 AM


As always you're resourceful in the matter of rhythm, oudistcamp :)

Thanks rudeog, you did work my lazy brain to compare ;)

Here it is the beginning of the track, a Bashraf on Wahda ... Just for the anecdote, the first sample is a model-melody for Rast (R) : R D S G N G S D R S R

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[*] posted on 8-7-2013 at 01:55 PM


Quote: Originally posted by oudistcamp  
Malfuf is more accurate.
Wahda is usually played slower with more filler beats in between the main beats. Usually 4/4.
Malfuf is usually played faster with fewer fillers, 2/4.
Both have similar main beats, but have totally different character and usage.


Excellent explanation.





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[*] posted on 12-7-2013 at 08:10 AM


Hi again,

I'm wondering about this one in 3/8: Samai Ta'er?

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[*] posted on 12-7-2013 at 09:46 AM


Quote: Originally posted by David.B  

the first sample is a model-melody for Rast (R) : R D S G N G S D R S R



What do R, D, S, G, and N stand for please? At first I thought R was Rast, D was Dugah, S was Segah. Then I got to G.
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[*] posted on 12-7-2013 at 10:30 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Jody Stecher  
Quote: Originally posted by David.B  

the first sample is a model-melody for Rast (R) : R D S G N G S D R S R



What do R, D, S, G, and N stand for please? At first I thought R was Rast, D was Dugah, S was Segah. Then I got to G.


My guess is it's an Egypt-ized Jiharkah/Chargah.

Rast, Dugah, Sikah, Jiharkah, Nawa ?

Regarding the rhythm, I think "Sama'i Ta'er" is the name, or just "al-ta'er".





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[*] posted on 12-7-2013 at 10:45 AM


Yes, you're right. It's too early in the morning for me to think straight. G as in "HiGaz". duh. silly me.

Quote: Originally posted by Brian Prunka  
Quote: Originally posted by Jody Stecher  
Quote: Originally posted by David.B  

the first sample is a model-melody for Rast (R) : R D S G N G S D R S R



What do R, D, S, G, and N stand for please? At first I thought R was Rast, D was Dugah, S was Segah. Then I got to G.


My guess is it's an Egypt-ized Jiharkah/Chargah.

Rast, Dugah, Sikah, Jiharkah, Nawa ?

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[*] posted on 12-8-2013 at 11:33 PM


Thanks Brian for confirming my thoughts. Here it is what I use to name the notes: Rast, Dukah, Sikah, Gaharkah, Nawa, Husaini, Aug, Mahur, etc. -> http://www.archive.org/stream/mlangesdeluniv06univuoft#page/34/mode...
I'm writing down the melodies, but I use these names instead of accidentals (# an b).

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[*] posted on 12-10-2013 at 03:21 AM


Quote: Originally posted by David.B  
Hi again,

I'm wondering about this one in 3/8: Samai Ta'er?





Oops, I made a mistake! It's still Malfuf:

Bayâtî 'l-Husaynî / Iqa' Malfuf
2/4 H n.'ag H N G l S N H N G S D :ll
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