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[*] posted on 4-14-2005 at 03:34 PM
CHAPTERS FROM SCOTT MARCUS'S BOOK


Hey everyone here are some excerpts from Marcus' book. This should keep all of the aspiring theorists out there busy for a couple days. :)

As far as a comprehensive list of the maqamat, and the Ajnas that they used, I did not see one. I did see some lists of names of various obscure maqamat but no definition of what they were comprised of. There are, however, a lot of pages to dig through so if someone finds the list, let me know which page it is on.

I also scanned a couple of chapters I found of particular interest. Such as, adaptation of Western terminology, Ajnas, & modern modal scale theory.

HERE ARE THE LINKS

Three Categories of Notes

Adopting Western Solfege

Tetrachords (Ajnas)

How Many Maqamat Are There?

Classifying the Maqamat

Modal Scales According to Present-Day Theory


Hope this helps.

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[*] posted on 4-14-2005 at 03:48 PM


theres is definately enough info in there to keep me going till i am 75!!!! thanks ofadel;)



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[*] posted on 4-14-2005 at 06:58 PM


This is great. Where can I obtain a copy of this book?

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[*] posted on 4-15-2005 at 12:26 PM


Omar, thanks so much, man!

I go to UCLA, so today, I took it upon myself to visit their music library, and I asked for this book. They handed me two huge volumes, and I sat down for an hour, running through everything, trying to see what I could absorb. I've come to the conclusion that it's quite necessary to either buy the book, or find it somewhere on line. This is one of the greatest things that I have ever come across, and I'd love to read this book in its entirety, as well as apply it to my playing. I came across a few cool tetrachords, and a few awesome maqams. The Maqam Naz, for example... C D E(half flat) F Gb A Bb c, as seen on page 392, sounds like it could be awesome! I have to get home and try it (as I'm still in school right now).

I had a question about maqam Zawil, as seen on page 392, as well. C D E(half flat) F... or C D Eb F# G. If this, indeed, is a derivative of Rast, should the Eb not be E(half flat)? And if not, is this not Nawa Athar/Nakriz? Was it just a typo?

Again, if anyone knows of an online site that has posted this in its entirety, I'd be so thankful to know about it. I'd ask you to put the rest, Omar, but man... that's a ton of pages... it must've taken you forever to scan all of that.

Thanks again!

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[*] posted on 4-15-2005 at 01:01 PM


It's not a typo, but it's not very clearly explained, either. It seems that the maqam Zawil uses both the rast and nakriz tetrachords . . . it's not explained precisely how that occurs. This maqam seems like it would be conceptualized differently by most performers (i.e., as some kind of modulation in Rast, not as a distinct maqam) and is primarily of theoretical/historical interest.
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[*] posted on 4-15-2005 at 01:30 PM


There is a maqam called basandidah which is notated as
C D Eb F# G A B half flat C
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[*] posted on 4-15-2005 at 02:42 PM


My pleasure TP. I think you can buy the book online from a place that sells dissertations. I will see if I can find the link somewhere.

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[*] posted on 4-15-2005 at 02:54 PM


Hey guys,

First off, I want to thank Omar for taking the time to do all of that. That was very kind of you. But I want to ask you to hold off on putting up anymore of Dr. Marcus' book for a little bit. I have just sent him an email asking his permission for it to be shared online. I don't foresee it being a problem, but it is probably best to be safe than sorry.

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[*] posted on 4-15-2005 at 04:21 PM


Good call, Mike.

I also came across Basandidah in my perusing over the book. Interesting maqam (Nakriz+Rast).

I dig this stuff.

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[*] posted on 4-16-2005 at 11:11 AM


sorry i made a mistake and left the # out after the F, its nakriz+rast...
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[*] posted on 4-16-2005 at 01:05 PM


I just heard back from Dr. Marcus and he said it was fine to share his work on the forums. Many thanks again to him first of all, and also to Omar for taking the time to scan the pages for us.

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[*] posted on 4-16-2005 at 06:31 PM


Scott will have a book coming out on Oxford University Press at the end of this year on Arab music. It doesn't go "comprehensive," but rather explores in depth a few topics (Umm Kulthum, mizmar traditions, weddings) and does an in-depth explanation of maqam Rast (and related modes in the Rast fasilah).

It will be the best introduction to music from this region - we've been using a draft copy here at Berkeley for teaching a "music of the Middle East" class with good results, though almost noone seems to be "getting" maqam.
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[*] posted on 4-17-2005 at 09:32 AM


hey this is good stuff to read><>
what is the exact name of the book so i can go find it then buy it.
thx sammy
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[*] posted on 4-18-2005 at 07:58 AM


I'm glad that Dr. Marcus approved. For those of you interested in getting the book, it is called "Arab music theory in the modern period" by Scott Marcus. David Parfitt sent me the following link where you could by it online, http://wwwlib.umi.com/dxweb/gateway

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[*] posted on 4-28-2005 at 02:17 PM


Hope you all didn't forget about this post!

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[*] posted on 7-20-2005 at 01:15 PM


Hey everyone,

I hope that everyone is doing fine, and that the summer is treating you all well. I was hoping that perhaps someone could post the remainder of the book, if possible. I'd really appreciate it!

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[*] posted on 7-21-2005 at 07:56 PM


I just ordered the dissertation from the link above (The order number to search for is 9006091). $38 isn't too bad, considering the volume. It'll probably cost me more than that to take it to Kinkos and have it bound somehow (it comes unbound in shrink-wrap).
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[*] posted on 7-22-2005 at 08:34 AM


Hey guys. Sorry, I wanted to post more but have been super busy. I promise I will get to it at some point soon. Is there anything in particular you want out of the book?

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[*] posted on 10-6-2005 at 12:30 PM


Hey everyone... I know most people have probably forgotten this post in the sea of the messageboard, but I was wondering if there was any way that we could get the rest of this great book up! Please!

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[*] posted on 10-7-2005 at 04:12 AM


All dead links now:(
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[*] posted on 10-7-2005 at 10:13 AM
CHAPTERS REPOSTED


Here you go, guys. I know not all of you got the first 6 that were posted here, so here you go! I'd really like to thank Omar for posting these to begin with.

Three Categories of Notes

Adopting Western Solfege

Tetrachords (Ajnas)

How Many Maqamat Are There?

Classifying the Maqamat

Modal Scales According to Present-Day Theory


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[*] posted on 10-8-2005 at 06:36 PM


Many thank TP21:applause: Thans to Omar as well
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[*] posted on 10-15-2005 at 06:05 PM


Hey there, this is an awsome book. I got to read it in May, but it was borrowed. So to see it here is great. But, I tried to down load it and the 3rd and 5th chapters didn't come through. Anyone have this who would be willing to share?
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[*] posted on 10-15-2005 at 11:01 PM


Actualy I went to my University's library this week and I found a huge encyclopedia on middle eastern music writen in part by scott marcus. Absolutely amazing stuff with a reference Cd featuring oud taqasims and more. I'll get the info up for you guys shortly.
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[*] posted on 10-17-2005 at 01:13 PM


Hey Rhianwen,

If you just right click on the link and click Save As, it should come out just finely. I hope that helps.

Any chance anyone can provide us with the rest? Yes, I realize I'm really pushing for this, but it's like gold.

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