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peshrev rhythms and tempos
Hi all,
does anyone know much about the different Peshrev rhythms (Usul?) for Ottoman music?
I have all of the rhythms notated in the awesome book Türk Musikisi Nazariyati ve Usulleri by Ismail Hakki Özkan.
today i was going through some music and noticed the tempo markings for example:
Acemashiran Peshrev of Neyzen Dede Salih Efendi (such a beautiful piece) has the rhythm "Devr-i Kebir". fine. but the tempo marking at the top of the
page lists quarter note = 92 bpm which to me is WAY faster than i would have expected.
i look at other music for peshrev i have and notice a similar thing. fast tempos. if i play half time then i must say it's kind of a bit slow, slower
than i would expect.
any ideas?
Dincer?
thanks in advance.
Adam Good
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Adam
I do not have Ozkan's book with me. However I played the pesrev with usual speed I know (for this pesrev Akdeniz also calls that it should be played
faster) My count is 62 quater notes per second. I am comfortable with this speed. There should be some mistake in Ozkan's book. There is one more
point. This pesrev usually been played in the begining of Mevlevi Sema. If he (Ozkan ) got it from mevlevi ayinleri books then maybe it should played
as he says.
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Dincer
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Sorry not "per second" but " per minute "
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oudmaker
There should be some mistake in Ozkan's book. There is one more point. This pesrev usually been played in the begining of Mevlevi Sema. If he (Ozkan )
got it from mevlevi ayinleri books then maybe it should played as he says.
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Hi Dincer,
My post was a little misleading, sorry, my fault. Just to clarify, the notation i have for the peshrev i found at http://www.neyzen.com not Özkan book. check it out, here's the transcription i'm working off of:
http://www.neyzen.com/images/notalar/acemasiran/acemasiran_p_dede_s...
very good, although I'm not playing it note for note as it is on the page, a couple phrases i play slightly different based off of a recording i
have.
maybe at the bottom of the page is the person who did the notation? not sure.
so...good you also feel that 92 bpm is fast! 62 feels fine.
when i was on Crete last month in the workshop with Necati Çelik we went over this piece (i didn't take the music with me. whoops). at the end of the
week they (Necati + many musicians + dervishes) performed the whole ayin in concert. was very special for me to see/hear.
by the way the example for Acem Ashiran in the Özkan book is beste from Dede Efendi.
Adam
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Yes. It is beautiful.
But old timers use to say if you are practicing an instrument, stick on the composer's music who is a player of your instrument. I guess ther is some
benefits to do so. This pesrev is usually for a ney player. Are you also a ney player? By the way I know Yavuz Akalin who is a son of my friend Kanuni
Erhan Akalin. Yavuz is the editor of this pesrev's notation as written at the bottom of the page and is a very good neyzen!
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Dincer
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oudmaker
But old timers use to say if you are practicing an instrument, stick on the composer's music who is a player of your instrument. I guess ther is some
benefits to do so. This pesrev is usually for a ney player. Are you also a ney player? By the way I know Yavuz Akalin who is a son of my friend Kanuni
Erhan Akalin. Yavuz is the editor of this pesrev's notation as written at the bottom of the page and is a very good neyzen!
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Dincer, I figured you'd probably know the guy who notated it.
that's interesting, to work on pieces by composers of your own instrument. I'm going to look into that.
so let's see...ud players who composed. Can you add to this list? This is not off of the top of my head
Cinuçen T.
Udi Ibrahim Efendi
Lavtaci Andon (lavta is close enough for me! his pieces are nice)
Yorgo Bacanos (has lots of vocal repertoire i think?)
who else?
adam
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