David Parfitt
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Oud gallery update!
Hi everyone
I have just updated the oud gallery on my website:
http://website.lineone.net/~david.parfitt/gallery.html
There are around 15 new ouds, including Manols from 1902, 1904 and 1909 and a 1914 Ilia. There are also some ouds from our Forum regulars Spyros, Lee,
Oudman and Journeyman.
Hope you enjoy them, and keep the pics coming (email me at dgwparfitt@btinternet.com)
Best wishes
David
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spyros mesogeia
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Dear friend David,
Thanks for that excellent work
Regards and respect
Spyros Koliavasilis
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Jameel
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Nice David. I love to look at pics of old ouds (and new ones, too!).
I'm not well-versed on the Turkish oud makers of yesteryear (basically what I've garnered from your site and these and other forums), but
would I be correct if I said that the best "Turkish" oud makers were either Greek (Ilias Kanakhis, Manolis Venios, or Armenian (Artin Hatun,
Karibyan)? Are these the most sought-after Turkish oud manufacturers?
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David Parfitt
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Hi Jameel
These certainly seem to be the most sought after makers of Turkish ouds, and it is strange that the names are Greek or Armenian. I'm afraid
I'm no expert on this, but I did have a few ideas as to the reasons for it.
One possibility could be that as the Ottoman empire declined, the oud was used less for Ottoman classical music, whereas the Greeks and Armenians
still used it a lot for their own folk music and so the Greek/Armenian makers catered for that need. I also heard that during the early days of the
Turkish republic (and even in modern times), Ottoman music was considered 'backward' and was frowned upon - could this have something to do
with the lack of Turkish oud makers? However, assuming that Ottoman music was still being performed, maybe the emergence of the tanbur as the main
lute for performing this music was responsible? (Or perhaps Armenians and Greeks are just better at making ouds!!! )
These are only conjectures, and I look forward to someone correcting me on this!
Best wishes
David
P.S. Jameel, it would be great to feature your oud(s) on the Oud Gallery!
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Jameel
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David,
Interesting observations. I know some Greeks (in Greece) who play folk music and it seems that the oud (outi) is not utilised much, but rather the
laouto. Nevertheless, it is used. (In fact, Nikos Saragoudas plays in the group I've heard in Athens before. ) Perhaps this is different in
Constantinople. Post-Byzantine ecclesiastical musicians (church chanters) played a huge role in the development of Ottoman Classical music, one even
wrote a book analyzing the Byzantine system (which uses more semitones) and the maqamat.
I'll send you some photos for the oud gallery. Thanks for the offer!
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spyros mesogeia
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Dear friend Jameel,
I am very happy to tell you that the last 10 years I saw a great progress on this subject....
Many many young persons,girls and boys,start to learn this unique instrument....
It is something wonderfull
Regards
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Multi Kulti
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Jameel as i see you know a lot about Byzantine culture-music .I listened at your site that you played a byzantine hymn too...And you were good.
You learned it? I find it interesting...and i find it wonderful too.
Nikos
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Jameel
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Nikos,
I'm a psalti first (I'm Greek Orthodox), then an oud player, so I often play church hymns on the oud just for fun.
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spyros mesogeia
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Dear friend,
I really am proud that you are a friend of mine...
First of all I am proud because you are a wonderfull person,and secondly for the Byzantine music that you know and I don't ,but I will learn some day....I really want that....
Regards my friend
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