damascene_oud
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Oud's Dimensions
An argument was raised lately on whether the dimensions of ouds differ from one kind to another.
I thought Iraqi and Turkish ouds have different dimension standards than Syrian or Egyptian ouds.
Does anyone here know any things about this?
Are the dimensions of the Iraqi Oud "floating bridge" in particular the same as other kinds of ouds or is there any difference?
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omazuz
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as much as i know: turkish oud is the smallest and even the neck is shorter. regarding arabic (cllasic) ouds the neck should be the same and the "egg"
is almost the same- the gap is very small and depends on the oud maker.
floating bridge usually makes the "egg" longer-in a few cm (2 to 3) and i think the reason is its structure and a need for space between the bridge
and the mounting holes for the strings.
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arsene
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The Iraqi neck is smaller than standard arabic. The Iraqi neck is as small as the turkish one to my eyes. The case I have for my Iraqi oud is also
perfect for my turkish oud, but the arabic oud doesn't fit...
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damascene_oud
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Thanks omazuz and arsene for your kind answers, but what about the width of the sound box, are the dimensions the same for all kinds of ouds?
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Search the forum there have been many discutions on this subject.
and you will find all your awnsers.
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damascene_oud
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Had i found any answers about this matter here, i wouldn't have bothered anyone by asking this question.
Thanks for your help though :-??
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this is what I came up with
in about 15 minutes of searching...
http://www.your.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=3369
http://www.your.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=4046
http://www.your.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=511
http://www.your.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=838
http://www.your.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=2605
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damascene_oud
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Thanks Samir for spending those 15 mins. But in fact i couldn't find any answers to my question there.
What i needed to know is DIMENSION of different kinds of Ouds [if there is any difference]. I looked around but couldn't see any thread talking about
width, length and depth of Iraqi, Turkish or Arabic ouds.
Thanks again for your help and sorry for the bother.
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Hello,
We are making 3 size of Turkish ouds.
DIMENSIONS:
1-Normal oud: Bowl lenght:50 cms.Width:37 cms. Neck 19 cms.Depth:19.5 cms.String lenght:58 cms.
2-Zenne(woman size oud):Bowl lenght 48 cms. Width:36 cms.Neck 18 cms.String lenght:56 cms. Depth:18 cms.
3-Child oud:Bowl lenght 40 cms.Width:30 cms.Neck lenght:16 cms.String lenght 48 cms.
With best wishes.
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Ronny Andersson
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The Bashir models that Mohammed Fadel created were based on the Italian classical Napoli mandolin which means a floating bridge, a bent/curved
soundboard/ shallow bowl and a string length of 57 cm. The Bashir models by other makers uses to have the same body size corresponding to the string
length, but most other makers prefer a more traditional ¨flat¨ soundboard and that is something I belive is a big mistake. Because I have noticed
that Bashir ouds built with a ¨flat soundboard have lot of problems with sunken bridges, splitting of soundboards. So what they do the makers, is to
use reinforcements that is very negative for the sound and really I consider the original design by Mohamed Fadel be superior in structure and sound
than what any other maker have produced. I will post some photos of various Bashir ouds to show their sizes and I start of with a bashir model by Foad
Jihad and one by Fawzy Monshed. N.B. that the one by Fawzy is a large model by Fawzy and he use to build same size as Foad. Nasser Shamma’s first
Bashir oud was built by Fawzy and it was smaller and I will scan photo of it when I had that oud for some period.
The Iraqi have a tradition of ouds from two worlds, the Turkish with their smaller instruments and then the classical Arabic oud with its huge body
and longer string length. The Bashir models are Based on the Turkish traditions and in Iraq it has been infected between various musicians about this
oud...
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Ronny
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Ronny Andersson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arsene
The Iraqi neck is smaller than standard arabic. The Iraqi neck is as small as the turkish one to my eyes. The case I have for my Iraqi oud is also
perfect for my turkish oud, but the arabic oud doesn't fit... |
The neck is shorter if the string lenght is short but the widht of the neck various between the different Bashir models and classical models. It is a
tendency now to increase the neck width
and string spacing for more complicated fingering with chords which I am not fan off. Mohammed Fadel Bashir model had a narrow classical neck size and
just listen to what Munir Bashir managed to play but he was not using chords as many present player. I prefer the narrower neck when I find the wider
necks uncomfortable in lower position with the tuning I am using.
The problem is that the pegbox is to wide at the neck joint for the left hand.
Best wishes
Ronny
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damascene_oud
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Thanks Ronny & Haluk for the detailed info...
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damascene_oud
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Have you ever guys heard of an Oud which width is 40c.m?
That sounds pretty weird doesn't it?
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hey ronny - i agree with you about the curved top: it's a necessary feature on those bashir style ouds. but i must say i for one like the increased
neck width on my bashir oud. it reminds me of a guitar's neck... then again, i am a guitarist..
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I dream of owning one of those Fawzys....Remember me Ronny?
But just by looking at the width of those necks at the nut, I am more keen on an oud with a wider neck, I guess for breathing space between each
course. I have the same model Foad as above (with minor aesthetic changes) and I find the 38mm width at the nut a little too narrow but not
uncomfortable.
While we're on the topic I was considering a 50mm width at the nut for my next custom oud. Is that crazy? Ronny? After all an extra 12mm, is only
something like 2mm extra between each course...I guess it would be difficult if you're playing Paganini caprices, but I only play slow pace taqasim
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| Quote: | Originally posted by damascene_oud
Have you ever guys heard of an Oud which width is 40c.m?
That sounds pretty weird doesn't it? |
My own Fawzy oud that I posted photos of have a width of 40 cm!
Is a huge beast.
Best wishes
Ronny
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yes I do the Fawzy oud has a wider neck and he problem is most likely due to the
string set up I am using with the F bas in 1st position and with the C (D 2nd)as 6th, that makes for me little bit uncomfortable fingering in C# D#
positions and it is more comfortable than with the Mohammed Fadel Bashir that has a very narrow peg box and neck.
Sounds as a real horror to have 50mm neck but I am getting a 8 course Fawzy and that oud has some neck....
| Quote: | Originally posted by Melbourne
I dream of owning one of those Fawzys....Remember me Ronny?
But just by looking at the width of those necks at the nut, I am more keen on an oud with a wider neck, I guess for breathing space between each
course. I have the same model Foad as above (with minor aesthetic changes) and I find the 38mm width at the nut a little too narrow but not
uncomfortable.
While we're on the topic I was considering a 50mm width at the nut for my next custom oud. Is that crazy? Ronny? After all an extra 12mm, is only
something like 2mm extra between each course...I guess it would be difficult if you're playing Paganini caprices, but I only play slow pace taqasim
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Best wishes
Ronny
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