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katakofka
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Oud sound Test
Hi all,
I would like to have your opinion regarding a 6month old Oud. Details about it after receiving your comments. I attached a small clip sound playing
"maw2af darina", a song for fairouz.
Thanks in advance for your comments
Aysar katakofka
Aslo another clip for high pitch sound generated by the same oud, playing My favorite dance for Jamil bachir
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katakofka
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this is the link for the other clip
http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=7136&pa...
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suz_i_dil
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Difficult to give an opinion on the sound of an instrument on a mp3. But it seems to be a nice iraki sound ud.
I think the most important is for you: do you like the sound of your instrument?
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Oudism
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I agree with suz, difficult to judge.I guess it's an egyptien floating bridge Oud. Am I right? Sounds good anyway, punchy.
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katakofka
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Suz...sure I like the sound. Now ask me how much I payed it?
Oudism...you're right, it's an egyptien floating bridge.
thanks guys for your replies
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I guess for an egyptian ud of a good quality floating bridge around 150 euros, this is the price of ud makers like ajeeb.
But I saw lower quality (from far ) for 45 or 60 euros in Cairo.
Actually, it is not much for people living high income countries, but in Egypt you can make with 150 euros as much than in France with 1000 or 1500
euros.
But sure it was a good deal for you.Enjoy it and wish you a good practice.
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katakofka
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suz : I got it from the web. 350$ delivered home at the US, just to try a floating bridge Oud. Honestly, I didn't feel much difference in sound
quality when I compared it to ouds costing 2000-3000$ that I heard on this forum or on youtube. Have you seen the double soundboard Ouds of faruk
turunz? He's selling them for 7000$!! Cannot imagine such prices for Ouds, and I like the sound of mine, the 350$, better than what I heard on youtube
for a double soundboard 7000$ Oud.
Now consider the market: when someone is selling Ouds for 7000$, what would you think would be the reaction of oudmakers that sell their ouds for
2000$? I immagine in 2 years you will find no oud below 5000$!!. This is unsane. Do you agree?
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katakofka, 7000$ is indeed a high price but it is a fully ornate oud. He sells not ornated sandwich ouds at 4000$ as per what I saw in his website.
The price for me is expensive but not the issue.
For me the main issue is when I asked him whether the sandwich soundboard is repairable if, God forbid, something happens to it, he didn't answer. I
guess this stands for a "no" 
By the way I prefer his "normal" grand concert ouds, which have a more balanced sound according to a recent soundfile posted by the user Jassem.
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Oudism
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4000$)7000$ wooooooow. Angelina Jolie played them? and past them to Bradd
pit
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katakofka
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if the double soundbaord protects the oud from deformation and it's for 4000$, floating bridge ouds have less tension on the soundboard as quoted by
samir azar in here:
http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=1239#pid808...
4000$ too much 
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Katakofka, I understand that you are upset that there are ouds that cost $4000. While this may be too much to pay for a oud, it is not your place to
judge since you have never played the oud in question, and i doubt you have ever played a oud made by faruk turunz. I also own a $350 floating bridge
egyptian made by walid hamido, it sounds very much like your oud. It is an ok oud, but it is not even close to the sound and craftsmanship of Turunz
ouds. I had the chance to play a Turunz oud 2 yrs ago and i finally decided to order one last month. I would rather spend more money for a really
good oud than a little money for an average oud. Playing a musical instrument is a very personal activity, and if its something you love there is no
way you can be comfortable playing mediocre instruments.
Hamed
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katakofka
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3azizi Hamed...I am not judging Faruk's Ouds. I am just wondering why they cost all that money. Now, Oud freak said that the double soundboard
protects the Oud from a distortion made by the strings tension. I replied that a floating bridge Ouds excert less tension on the soundboard as Samir
Azar said. This is the technical part. The other part, is the sound generated. I won't argue on that since it's a personal taste and experience. I am
an advocate for floating bridge ouds, as Samir Azar said " Modern Ouds". You like traditional Oud, this is your choice. The bottom line is that I
prefer any floating bridge Oud on the most expensive traditional Oud.
Best
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katakofka
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| Quote: | Originally posted by katakofka
Now consider the market: when someone is selling Ouds for 7000$, what would you think would be the reaction of oudmakers that sell their ouds for
2000$? I immagine in 2 years you will find no oud below 5000$!!. This is unsane. Do you agree? |
What do you think about the market issue too Hamed??
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please research the forums for the tension issue. you will see that there are more structural reinforcements necessary to have a floating brige
perform well. this has been discused in many other threads.
for the market...
In any case its whatever you feel you are ready to pay for it.
since there are many people ready to pay for top quality ouds at this price then this is the nature of the market demand drives prices upwards. you
might think its outrageous but you cant by yourself influence the market enough to bring prices down...
on the other hand if you think about someone who makes a oud with fine details by hand and creates a masterpeice if you take in the hours it takes to
make the oud and compare it with say 2000$ It represents something like 10$ an hour but only if you can make it in a month. if it takes you 3 months
to make it a perfect instrument then your talking about a bit over 3$ an hour roughly.
would you work for that concidering you live in Maryland USA. Sure its fine for syria and egypt but its not an acceptable amount for America or
Turkey.
I dont believe if you were offered a top quality 3000$ floating brige oud made by saad al tayyar just as an example, and you were offered to trade
your egyptian internet one for it.
I think it would take less then a second you would trade it.
because there is value to a higher quality oud,
not everyone can justify the price to pay thats the other issue.
Same way if you showed your oud to a professional musician he might be impressed with the sound for the quality of oud you have and price you paid.
And its true you may have gotten lucky with a one off oud that sounds good. But he wouldnt trade it for his more expensive higher quality oud.
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katakofka
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Samir: do you consider that Ghadban, Azar, Chehata...etc do not make Masterpieces? I think definetively they do.I was just wondering why 4000 to 7000$
the cost of a Oud. Initially I thought it might have Gold strings or stuff like that in the ornementation. It seems no.
Thanks for the tension issue. I'll look for it in the forum.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by hamed
Katakofka, I understand that you are upset that there are ouds that cost $4000. While this may be too much to pay for a oud, it is not your place to
judge since you have never played the oud in question, and i doubt you have ever played a oud made by faruk turunz.
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Hamed, since katakofka didn't reply on that I said I will. I am his freind, know him loooooong time ago. Katakofka plays oud and bouzouk (bouzouk
better than oud ) since he was young, and I guess he knows what he's talking
about. I guess too he has the right to judge and he is able to judge. Would you post something played by you? It will help us judging if you have the
right to judge
Cheeeeeeeeers
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katakofka
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Oudism thanks khayeh but no need for all this debate. Hamed , no need to post
any clip.
Oudism, still remember the bouzouk. I neglected it long time ago, but I still
remember the good time in Montreal Hope to see you in Montreal summer time.
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no its true they do make master peices definately I have 2 Shehata ouds and I love Ghadban's work so much that I am concidering getting one now for a
while.
but like I said they live in lebanon, syria and egypt.
4000$ and 7000$ (fully ornate) its a lot of money true but then again Turkey is not cheap to live in anymore.
other thing is that you are right in one thing.
All things concidered its a lot of money for this instrument no doubt.
so we can come to this conclusion. Its a premium oud with a premium price.
therefore its not a oud for everybody.
Perhaps there will be only a handfull of them ever made... but obvioulsy there are only a few people that will be ready to invest in such an
instrument. probably someone who makes a living playing oud for example.
in the end its a fair price I think depending on the person who bought it really enjoys the extra value and that comes down to a personal
preference.
oudism: Do you live in Montreal?
I am from there but I live in Ottawa now.
I still go down every second week though. we should organise a oud meeting for the Montreal Ottawa Toronto region.
it would be nice no.
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Samir I would love to.But I am waiting for my oud. I ordered one from samir azar, expecting it in April. I have no oud now 
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ok thanks let me know when you get it.
I have never played one of his instruments so i would love to try it.
do you know how to play?
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katakofka
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samir: Listen carefully to this post by jassim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXBcicLa71M
Do you hear the buzz-like sound in seconds 15, 29, 31, and in minutes 1:08, 1:16, 1:21, 2:32, 2:43, 2:50 ?
The oud sound is superbe, no doubt, but I won't pay it 4000$. I cannot play on a Oud generating buzz-like sound. Nazih's Oud for me are much
better,
Azar and Sukkar, Shehata and Ya3rub too. Have you heard the sound generated by Fadi's Matta Ouds?? Lovely ! They all make premium Ouds.
Best
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Hi Guys,
I think now guys, from all this replies, you gave some makers new idea about the new prices of the next generation ouds. That's why i prefer to do not
mention any prices of my ouds in the forum.
I think,from right on, Any order from each one of us to any maker will cost minimum $4000, regardless the oud is good quality or bad quality and
regardless if the maker is skilled maker or bad maker.
GOOD LUCK ! ....
Thanks
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I play a little samir, not like you guys
Dubai, check the website of Master Faruk http://www.oudmaster.com/php/. The prices are indicated on his website
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| Quote: | Originally posted by katakofka
3azizi Hamed...I am not judging Faruk's Ouds. I am just wondering why they cost all that money. Now, Oud freak said that the double soundboard
protects the Oud from a distortion made by the strings tension. Best |
Kofka hey how are u doing ? Well it is maybe true that double soundboard might
protect Oud from distortion, though I don't think I said so. I only said that Mr. Faruk didn't reply when I asked him if the double soundboard is
repairable.
Finally added u on msn! c u there! Cheers!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by katakofka
samir: Listen carefully to this post by jassim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXBcicLa71M
Do you hear the buzz-like sound in seconds 15, 29, 31, and in minutes 1:08, 1:16, 1:21, 2:32, 2:43, 2:50 ?
The oud sound is superbe, no doubt, but I won't pay it 4000$. I cannot play on a Oud generating buzz-like sound. Nazih's Oud for me are much
better,
Azar and Sukkar, Shehata and Ya3rub too. Have you heard the sound generated by Fadi's Matta Ouds?? Lovely ! They all make premium Ouds.
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Katakofta, the oud played by Jassim is a Grand Concert oud, which is about the same price as a new oud from Yaroub or Ghadban, who are also great
makers. As for the buzz you speak of, ( which i don't think is noteworthy) i find this buzz to be quite common on new ouds, even those from the
forementioned makers.
Hamed
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