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Classic Music on Oud ??
Dear all,
I invite you to listen to couple of tries by Charbel Rouhana, in which he's playing some classical music on Oud.
Any of you aware of classical music tried on oud please posted them or link us.
Thanks
Enjoy
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http://www.salemabdulkarem.com/music.htm
Here is salem abdel karem playing Czardaz.
I had the intention to share the scores of Czardaz, but I realized there is a copy-right issue from virtual Sheet music.com. Reason why I deleted the
file. Any one interrest in the score please visit virtualsheetmusic.com
thanks
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Two more files from katakofka
by Charbel Rouhana....
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and the second one...
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Thanks Mike 
An interresting piece influenced by classical music composed by the great Muhhy eddim Targan (or Haydar).
Score:
http://www.alsiadi.com/KOSAN_COCUK.htm
you need to download Scorch program to see the notes (the program is free)
Played on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqo4VjXefP4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOW9czaEtGY
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Hello Kata,
I have to say that version of Czardas is possibly the worst thing I have ever heard played on oud! He murdered that piece, thanks Salem!
His oud is not in tune and he is not in tune, what does it mean to even ATTEMPT to play these phrases when he cant execute them properly. People will
say at least he's trying, well I would try harder and then put ity on his website when he has it right. It saids his the 'oud guru' on his site, near
enough is not good enough for a guru. For Elisa and Zourouni varations are the same deal, play them properly or dont! He was totally out of tune. And
that fake synthesiser orchestra was so corny and bad. Im sticking to the greats thanks!
Czardas means nothing when I can have a cup of tea listening to a Farid taqasim. The Arab culture is full of beauty and technique just listen to the
greats, no use playing novelty pieces on oud if they truly mean nothing to the Arab world and theyre not played well either...
Sorry me ranting again,
Just being honest James
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JamesOud
Hello Kata,
I have to say that version of Czardas is possibly the worst thing I have ever heard played on oud! He murdered that piece, thanks Salem!
His oud is not in tune and he is not in tune, what does it mean to even ATTEMPT to play these phrases when he cant execute them properly. People will
say at least he's trying, well I would try harder and then put ity on his website when he has it right. It saids his the 'oud guru' on his site, near
enough is not good enough for a guru. For Elisa and Zourouni varations are the same deal, play them properly or dont! He was totally out of tune. And
that fake synthesiser orchestra was so corny and bad. Im sticking to the greats thanks!
Czardas means nothing when I can have a cup of tea listening to a Farid taqasim. The Arab culture is full of beauty and technique just listen to the
greats, no use playing novelty pieces on oud if they truly mean nothing to the Arab world and theyre not played well either...
Sorry me ranting again,
Just being honest James |
You are very right, James. These western classical versions played on the oud are quite ridiculous. I can't understand why some oriental musicians try
to legitimate themselves playing western music when they don't have educated their ear on the tempered scales and their instruments are not designed
for it.
The oriental music has a fabulous tradition on improvisation and that's what I like to hear when I listen to oriental instruments.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JamesOud
Hello Kata,
I have to say that version of Czardas is possibly the worst thing I have ever heard played on oud! He murdered that piece, thanks Salem!
His oud is not in tune and he is not in tune, what does it mean to even ATTEMPT to play these phrases when he cant execute them properly. People will
say at least he's trying, well I would try harder and then put ity on his website when he has it right. It saids his the 'oud guru' on his site, near
enough is not good enough for a guru. For Elisa and Zourouni varations are the same deal, play them properly or dont! He was totally out of tune. And
that fake synthesiser orchestra was so corny and bad. Im sticking to the greats thanks!
Czardas means nothing when I can have a cup of tea listening to a Farid taqasim. The Arab culture is full of beauty and technique just listen to the
greats, no use playing novelty pieces on oud if they truly mean nothing to the Arab world and theyre not played well either...
Sorry me ranting again,
Just being honest James |
Hey James,
yes these pieces of salem abdel karim seem to survive bad conditions. Cruise missles I guess). Totally agree with you, ridiculous to play such thing and post them on his website. If he's a real professional he's not allowed to do
that. Anyone one us, a non professional, can do it, try it, post it, say, hey guys how to ameliorate this passage, and so on. But a professional
playing out of tune, passages not well executed, posted on his website, you're right, totally inacceptable.
Charbel is better no?
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Hey kata
I am not a fan of none of these, but surely Charbel is much much better.
I am a fan of the first part of JamesOud post where he expersses my thought much better than I do, really! The second part is what I am 100% against.
But it is of course a personal opinion.
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Ouuuuuuud,
No one, as far as I know, have tried to do pure western muisic on Oud, except Mehmet Polat when he played Paganini's (videos are on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJw7u-aQ0b4, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVJ43PvzTc8&feature=user). You feel that these pieces are not for the Oud, althought Mehmet execution is
impressive. From the playing of Charbel e.g I guess he chose western music that is mainly melodic, and with nice melodies. Farid el atrache used lot
of tango in his music and they fit very well with the arabic music mood. I recall "ya zahratan fi khayyali" or "Albi w moftaa7ou"...etc. Abdel wahhab
too, lot of tango. It all comes to choose a nice, romantic melody that fits with the arabic mood of romance, sadness, "chagan" (don't know word in
English). Czardaz fits in this mood too, and most of the european gypsy music
which gave rise to the classical western music.
Check these links to for Jamil Bachir :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVSTPQTziRI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ssS6jfz73k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SJUevDfpHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUDoVMIAQKc&feature=related
Lovely, no?
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Hey, have you heard about this young egyptian player mohammad abou zekry? look to the video, skip the first 4 minutes and listen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tyoDtaSJZY&feature=related
Kata, this is better than any classical music
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Oudism
you should see him playing caprice Jamil bachir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TDSZB2PB30&feature=user
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mohammad abou zekry 
rahiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiib
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Rahiib eeh?!! the guy is 16-17 years old!!
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Hey Kata,
Heres another 17 year old...you might know him?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4k-II3yfKI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7hjm0iESuA
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On the subject of western music played on the oud, a friend of mine went to Syria recently and I asked her if she could try and get me a CD by Farhan
Sabbagh. She couldn't find it but brought me something by a father/son duo (I won't name them because I can't find the CD and don't want to get
personal), father playing oud and buzuk, son on keyboards. It included such classics as 'hotel california' and even the more contemporary 'hit me baby
one more time'. Not a pleasant listening experience.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JamesOud
Hey Kata,
Heres another 17 year old...you might know him? |
No, I don't know him. But he's an AWFUL player . Kidding aside, Nahawand taqsim
played by JT are lovely but different from what Mohamadd abou zekry is playing.
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