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visit my site for teaching oud and oriental!
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This is my site welcome to all
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Not to be too picky, but this is not site for oud, this is site for Hassan.
May I suggest you teach remotely e.g. by Skype and have students pay
by the 1/4 hour by paypal, like if we need help with a specific piece
or with some technique pointers. You have a nice smile, that helps.
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I am so sorry you are right , i didn`t choose the correct name for topic, i will change it, for your suggestion can you help me in making this as i
haven`t instructed online before?
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I hope Fernandraynaud can help you with this, as it would be a great benefit to many around the world.
Best wishes, S
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Quote: Originally posted by Sazi  | | I hope Fernandraynaud can help you with this, as it would be a great benefit to many around the world. |
I think for online seminars both, the tutor and the student, will need a webcam and a microphone and a video conferencing
software.
Older windows versions like XP or 2000 have Microsoft Netmeeting built in, which can be used for this task. In XP it's a bit hidden ... you'll find it
in \Program Files\Neetmeeting and you have to run conf.exe.
With newer Windows versions like Vista and 7 and also with Linux you have to use a different software.
But besides choosing a software there's a further "hurddle", the desktop and internet router firewalls have to be configured properly to establish a
conference. And you'll have to establish the conferencing connection by the current IP address of both persons, which makes this approach nearly
unusable for many people, who don't know much about computers.
A less complex approach would be to film video tutorials and place them in a password protected area of your website. After the student has paid his
lession, you'll mail him/her the password and he/she can view it.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Hassan, this is much like systems I've designed for clients, so allow me to tell you that this is simple if you feel comfortable with computers. If
not, it will require hiring someone to help you, preferably in Egypt. It also requires an open banking and telecommunications policy in your region,
or a little baksheesh 
Let me write out the core information as to how I would do it, as best I can without preparation. I though of telling you by private U2U, but there
are people here who may have all sorts of good ideas, or who may help spot difficulties, and I think that it will be to your advantage for this to
truly be a collective effort. I will not explain details that should be obvious, nor start out each point with things like "shop for the best deal",
or "do a lot of reading", those things are obvious.
1) You must have a reasonably fast computer with a good webcam and microphone(s). Most notebook computers these days are sufficient.
2) A headset with microphone.
3) A fast internet connection like DSL.
4) An external microphone and a tiny mixer so you can connect a mic or pickup from an oud AND the headset mic so you can talk, and the person at the
other end very clearly hears both. At first you can get by with just the headset's mic, but someone who's paying has a right to expect to hear
everything very clearly.
4b) A (Free) Skype account. When you have the hardware you should install and try out Skype (you download it from their web site). Skype lets you
carry on a one-to-one "video-phone call" for free with anybody in the world that has a PC with a webcam and a fast internet connection. People run
whole businesses over Skype, like this language tutor, this clip is very informative:
http://www.skype.com/intl/en/business/case-studies/toniks/
The firewall issues are handled fairly well for Skype by most commercial security software, because it's a very popular telecommunications product,
voice or voice+video. I've seen all sorts of novices, young and old, manage to get Skype working behind the typical router/firewall.
Then you need
5) An email address that will be stable.
6) A (free) Paypal account. Paypal transfers money between people who have PayPal accounts, and Paypal accounts are linked to bank accounts. Paypal is
mostly used to pay for auction items, like on e-Bay. You must read and understand the Paypal conditions of use, which specify that above a certain
number of monthly transfers, or above a certain dollar amount per month, you must get a (more expensive) Paypal business account. You will have to
investigate this so you know exactly what to expect. You must also clearly understand what Paypal promises to do if someone tries to cheat. But
overall, Paypal is very safe for many reasons, one of them being that they withdraw money from the payer's account directly, and that they have
experience with even large transfers.
7) You must also make sure that no banking regulations in your country prevent what you are about to do.
8) You then set up your Paypal account using your e-mail address, provide your bank account information, and confirm the exact amounts that show up in
your statement when they test-transfer 2 very small sums (like $0.03 and $0.07) through to your bank so that you can prove that the bank account
transfer works, and that way your bank account becomes linked to Paypal. It's very easy and a lot of people already have Paypal accounts.
At this point you can send and receive money very safely from people who also have a paypal account. No credit card numbers are used, and Paypal
provides many services for the small fees they earn, including dispute mediation. This is a great service, and if they take 5%, that's worth it, and
you factor that expense into the business.
Once you have everything set up, people can pay you for lessons very easily, without entering credit card information to some unknown site on the
other side of the world. All they need to do is go to the Paypal site, log in and select to send e.g. $10 to your e-mail address. If they have some
balance left in their Paypal account, it debits from there, and anything more that's needed is taken from their bank account. You will receive an
e-mail confirming this in minutes, so you KNOW they have done it, then the money will appear in your bank account with some delay, but you can feel
quite reasonably sure you will get it. So you can have people pay at the start of a lesson, and get to work right away.
You must have a tiny contract, a short and fair "agreement form" that people must click "agree" to before you will work with them, so they don't make
trouble with Paypal, claiming the lesson was not perfect, and demand their money back. All it takes is one or two idiots to give you a bad reputation
and make your life miserable. You need to have a clear policy. Clients and you must agree for instance that if they truly don't like a session, a
refund of half the charge less currency exchange and other fees, will be OK with both sides, and that if you cannot provide a session on
time, you will refund whatever they paid ahead in full. Use your head, make it fair and make it very short and simple, it's supposed to be a
handshake.
Each country and each bank may impose delays, fees and limitations on how fast money makes it into your bank account, and you will have to test this
out with friends in other countries, how long it takes, and how much money you will pay in percentages along the way. In some countries it can take a
couple of days. But you WILL get it. The fundamental issue of how to receive payment without the risks or complications of credit cards is solved.
Paypal does currency conversions of course.
9) Now you check your Skype connection and all the little things like the microphone for the oud. You must have a good screen so you can see your
student very well, and your camera and microphone set up so they can see you very well. Good sound and lighting make all the difference between
amateurish and pleasantly professional.
10) The best way would be to offer a few lessons for free at first so you have some opportunity to test everything (and make friends).
11) You work out a price sheet for different services, maybe 15 minute sessions for specific questions, and a half-hour and full hour units cheaper
for people who want regular lessons. Of course some regions and people may have very low ability to pay, so you can offer discounts privately when
people contact you, but you also have your own needs, so you have to work out practical prices. Yet I think you want even young people to use your
service without hesitating too much, so I would propose one to one instruction at $6 or 4 Euros for a 15 minute session, $9 or 6 Euros for 1/2 hour
and $15 or 10 Euros for an hour. That may seem too low to some, and too high to others, and if that's the case, it's probably about right  These are not times of easy spending, and I'm trying to think globally. I know I
would spend $9 for a half hour lesson several times, but at $25 per session, I wouldn't do it more than once or twice. You can offer blocks at some
discount to get a little cash ahead, for instance 5 hours for 40 Euros or $60, and that can be used by the client as 15 minute consults, or 1/2
lessons or whatever. Better to have many lessons at $15 than one at $30.
In any case, no big worries, you decide what you think will work, members here may have some pricing suggestions, AND you can always adjust prices as
you go.
12) Once you figure everything out, and have it working, you can enroll other teachers so you don't have to be on Skype at all hours, you can find a
local tutor in the Middle East, another in the UK, another in Japan, and one in the US, and you have the whole planet covered. You can arrange with
famous players, or specialists in specific styles, or even Oud-Makers and Luthiers, to be available for special sessions at certain times, and they
would gladly work with you because they wouldn't have to do anything except have a laptop with a network connection, and you'd handle all the
scheduling, collecting money and promotion.
If you have someone to help you with your web site right away, or later when you do, you can set up the payment via Paypal directly from within your
own web site, like e-bay does.
At first you may operate scheduling on an e-mail basis. John sends you an e-mail and you make arrangements for a lesson, or schedule a skype call, but
as soon as you can afford to have some web site development done, you should have a schedule/calendar system, on one of your web pages, where people
can come in and select appointment times in the general times that you have indicated are available, and the software can handle the rest. If you get
a bit of a clientele world-wide, you can walk to your computer with your wake-up coffee and your workday/night will be already filled in on the
schedule/calendar, with payments already in Paypal.
For some reason I see interactive individual lessons as a better place to start, but the last issue is group classes. Some service must provide group
two-way videoconferencing, in fact a friend is working on such a system, it's essential for business meetings. I have not looked into whether Skype
offers it. Yes, Netmeeting in Windows is usable, but old and creaky (I know, I worked on it for Microsoft). There will be better solutions.
Even the simplest form, namely pre-recorded material, would allow you to teach classes in theory much as in a classroom, where students can watch and
hear, but not interact, and this should be available for playback at any hour, free for your regular clients? Of course, promotion is very important
when you are starting out, and you may decide that you want to offer some prerecorded material at first at no charge to everyone, so people can become
acquainted with your teaching style and your friendly smile, to want to take individual classes
There are other services that you might offer, such as transcription of recordings and conversion of scores to MIDI or sound recordings, whatever you
or others here might think of.
Like all small businesses, it takes a lot of work at first, and you have to love what you're doing, or you will never put in the effort. Hassan, I
hope you take the next steps. As Sazi says, this would be a great benefit, especially to the many people who are starting out with no teacher nearby,
and if the services and the prices work out for everyone concerned, you could have a good little business here!
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Aymara
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Hi Fernand,
great explanations, very informative 
I only mentioned Netmeeting as an example.
BTW ... I didn't knew, that Skype is free even for business use as long as you communicate over the internet and (mobile) phones are not involved.
On the Skype website we can find a case study about a company that gives language lessions via video conferencing, which is nearly the same as an oud lesson.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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hy19002000
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| Quote: Originally posted by fernandraynaud | Hassan, this is much like systems I've designed for clients, so allow me to tell you that this is simple if you feel comfortable with computers. If
not, it will require hiring someone to help you, preferably in Egypt. It also requires an open banking and telecommunications policy in your region,
or a little baksheesh
Let me write out the core information as to how I would do it, as best I can without preparation. I though of telling you by private U2U, but there
are people here who may have all sorts of good ideas, or who may help spot difficulties, and I think that it will be to your advantage for this to
truly be a collective effort. I will not explain details that should be obvious, nor start out each point with things like "shop for the best deal",
or "do a lot of reading", those things are obvious.
1) You must have a reasonably fast computer with a good webcam and microphone(s). Most notebook computers these days are sufficient.
2) A headset with microphone.
3) A fast internet connection like DSL.
4) An external microphone and a tiny mixer so you can connect a mic or pickup from an oud AND the headset mic so you can talk, and the person at the
other end very clearly hears both. At first you can get by with just the headset's mic, but someone who's paying has a right to expect to hear
everything very clearly.
4b) A (Free) Skype account. When you have the hardware you should install and try out Skype (you download it from their web site). Skype lets you
carry on a one-to-one "video-phone call" for free with anybody in the world that has a PC with a webcam and a fast internet connection. People run
whole businesses over Skype, like this language tutor, this clip is very informative:
http://www.skype.com/intl/en/business/case-studies/toniks/
The firewall issues are handled fairly well for Skype by most commercial security software, because it's a very popular telecommunications product,
voice or voice+video. I've seen all sorts of novices, young and old, manage to get Skype working behind the typical router/firewall.
Then you need
5) An email address that will be stable.
6) A (free) Paypal account. Paypal transfers money between people who have PayPal accounts, and Paypal accounts are linked to bank accounts. Paypal is
mostly used to pay for auction items, like on e-Bay. You must read and understand the Paypal conditions of use, which specify that above a certain
number of monthly transfers, or above a certain dollar amount per month, you must get a (more expensive) Paypal business account. You will have to
investigate this so you know exactly what to expect. You must also clearly understand what Paypal promises to do if someone tries to cheat. But
overall, Paypal is very safe for many reasons, one of them being that they withdraw money from the payer's account directly, and that they have
experience with even large transfers.
7) You must also make sure that no banking regulations in your country prevent what you are about to do.
8) You then set up your Paypal account using your e-mail address, provide your bank account information, and confirm the exact amounts that show up in
your statement when they test-transfer 2 very small sums (like $0.03 and $0.07) through to your bank so that you can prove that the bank account
transfer works, and that way your bank account becomes linked to Paypal. It's very easy and a lot of people already have Paypal accounts.
At this point you can send and receive money very safely from people who also have a paypal account. No credit card numbers are used, and Paypal
provides many services for the small fees they earn, including dispute mediation. This is a great service, and if they take 5%, that's worth it, and
you factor that expense into the business.
Once you have everything set up, people can pay you for lessons very easily, without entering credit card information to some unknown site on the
other side of the world. All they need to do is go to the Paypal site, log in and select to send e.g. $10 to your e-mail address. If they have some
balance left in their Paypal account, it debits from there, and anything more that's needed is taken from their bank account. You will receive an
e-mail confirming this in minutes, so you KNOW they have done it, then the money will appear in your bank account with some delay, but you can feel
quite reasonably sure you will get it. So you can have people pay at the start of a lesson, and get to work right away.
You must have a tiny contract, a short and fair "agreement form" that people must click "agree" to before you will work with them, so they don't make
trouble with Paypal, claiming the lesson was not perfect, and demand their money back. All it takes is one or two idiots to give you a bad reputation
and make your life miserable. You need to have a clear policy. Clients and you must agree for instance that if they truly don't like a session, a
refund of half the charge less currency exchange and other fees, will be OK with both sides, and that if you cannot provide a session on
time, you will refund whatever they paid ahead in full. Use your head, make it fair and make it very short and simple, it's supposed to be a
handshake.
Each country and each bank may impose delays, fees and limitations on how fast money makes it into your bank account, and you will have to test this
out with friends in other countries, how long it takes, and how much money you will pay in percentages along the way. In some countries it can take a
couple of days. But you WILL get it. The fundamental issue of how to receive payment without the risks or complications of credit cards is solved.
Paypal does currency conversions of course.
9) Now you check your Skype connection and all the little things like the microphone for the oud. You must have a good screen so you can see your
student very well, and your camera and microphone set up so they can see you very well. Good sound and lighting make all the difference between
amateurish and pleasantly professional.
10) The best way would be to offer a few lessons for free at first so you have some opportunity to test everything (and make friends).
11) You work out a price sheet for different services, maybe 15 minute sessions for specific questions, and a half-hour and full hour units cheaper
for people who want regular lessons. Of course some regions and people may have very low ability to pay, so you can offer discounts privately when
people contact you, but you also have your own needs, so you have to work out practical prices. Yet I think you want even young people to use your
service without hesitating too much, so I would propose one to one instruction at $6 or 4 Euros for a 15 minute session, $9 or 6 Euros for 1/2 hour
and $15 or 10 Euros for an hour. That may seem too low to some, and too high to others, and if that's the case, it's probably about right These are not times of easy spending, and I'm trying to think globally. I know I
would spend $9 for a half hour lesson several times, but at $25 per session, I wouldn't do it more than once or twice. You can offer blocks at some
discount to get a little cash ahead, for instance 5 hours for 40 Euros or $60, and that can be used by the client as 15 minute consults, or 1/2
lessons or whatever. Better to have many lessons at $15 than one at $30.
In any case, no big worries, you decide what you think will work, members here may have some pricing suggestions, AND you can always adjust prices as
you go.
12) Once you figure everything out, and have it working, you can enroll other teachers so you don't have to be on Skype at all hours, you can find a
local tutor in the Middle East, another in the UK, another in Japan, and one in the US, and you have the whole planet covered. You can arrange with
famous players, or specialists in specific styles, or even Oud-Makers and Luthiers, to be available for special sessions at certain times, and they
would gladly work with you because they wouldn't have to do anything except have a laptop with a network connection, and you'd handle all the
scheduling, collecting money and promotion.
If you have someone to help you with your web site right away, or later when you do, you can set up the payment via Paypal directly from within your
own web site, like e-bay does.
At first you may operate scheduling on an e-mail basis. John sends you an e-mail and you make arrangements for a lesson, or schedule a skype call, but
as soon as you can afford to have some web site development done, you should have a schedule/calendar system, on one of your web pages, where people
can come in and select appointment times in the general times that you have indicated are available, and the software can handle the rest. If you get
a bit of a clientele world-wide, you can walk to your computer with your wake-up coffee and your workday/night will be already filled in on the
schedule/calendar, with payments already in Paypal.
For some reason I see interactive individual lessons as a better place to start, but the last issue is group classes. Some service must provide group
two-way videoconferencing, in fact a friend is working on such a system, it's essential for business meetings. I have not looked into whether Skype
offers it. Yes, Netmeeting in Windows is usable, but old and creaky (I know, I worked on it for Microsoft). There will be better solutions.
Even the simplest form, namely pre-recorded material, would allow you to teach classes in theory much as in a classroom, where students can watch and
hear, but not interact, and this should be available for playback at any hour, free for your regular clients? Of course, promotion is very important
when you are starting out, and you may decide that you want to offer some prerecorded material at first at no charge to everyone, so people can become
acquainted with your teaching style and your friendly smile, to want to take individual classes
There are other services that you might offer, such as transcription of recordings and conversion of scores to MIDI or sound recordings, whatever you
or others here might think of.
Like all small businesses, it takes a lot of work at first, and you have to love what you're doing, or you will never put in the effort. Hassan, I
hope you take the next steps. As Sazi says, this would be a great benefit, especially to the many people who are starting out with no teacher nearby,
and if the services and the prices work out for everyone concerned, you could have a good little business here!
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many thanks fernand for your great explanation, i think i have all the technical things to make online instruction but the only problem that
preventing me from making online instruction is how i can be paid because paypal is disabled in Egypt and doesn`t work, i think the prices you
suggested is quite low than i want but it works so if i can find a suitable way for payment i will start online instruction and i will make a price
plan for many courses that will help all the people from all the world, for your fernand anything you need in oud and oriental will be free so i am
welcome all your questions and anything in oud and oriental,
for all
wait my new surprises in my site
http://www.oud.weebly.com
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You may also want to look into teamtalk or ventrilo. It's been a while since I've used either but they do allow group voice chat, maybe by now
somebody's added video as well. A recommended alternative to paypal in the middle east is http://www.moneybookers.com. I've never used it but I've seen it recommended several times.
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hy19002000
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thanks ameer i will see this site
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now for all i started online courses for information visit
http://www.oud.weebly.com
many thanks for:
-fernandraynaud
-Sazi
-Aymara
-ameer
they really helped me and encourage me to start online instruction.
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ameer
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Hassan,
Might I suggest making your pricing plans sheet into an actual webpage? It just looks more professional rather than asking people to download a word
document, or maybe it's just me being picky. Thanks for going into business- I have no teacher and could probably use one.
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Congratulations on getting this up and running Hassan, your prices look quite reasonable too. I like that you are also open to collaboration, it's
good to be able to share creativity.
Best wishes for this venture .
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I wish I could start my own business too without seed capital ... ok, there's a bit needed like buying a good webcam and microphones/headset, but
compared to other business, that's peanuts 
So congratulations to your own company. And the best is, chances are very high, that this business plan won't fail ... assumed the marketing is ok.
The worst, that can happen is, that it will only be a part time job. But I see good chances, that it not only will become a full time job, but that
this business can become even bigger ... I see further tutors working for you and teaching not only oud, but other instruments too.
Welcome to Hassan Music School
Good luck
No, it's not just you, I would suggest the same. And there's one info missing ... how long is a standard lesson? 45 minutes, 1 hour?
I think so too, but is this only regarding oriental music or maybe western music too, maybe Rock, Pop or even Jazz?
One last suggestion, though not new ... how about an appetizer? A small video that shows, what to expect. Maybe a free video for absolute beginners,
that makes hungry for more. I would suggest a video about stringing and tuning ... that's an info everybody can read for free in the WWW, but you
would be the first, who shows that in a film. And this will prove that your lessons are worth the money.
Oh money ... info about paying methods is still missing.
And a further idea ... how about a nice slogan, maybe: "You might be a good autodidact, but with my help you'll learn faster and have more fun." Which
leads to a last tip ... give free tips for self-educating people, which will make your website well known. Start with a links page with links to this
forum and other oud online ressources and recommended luthiers too. A second step would be a free learning section for absolute beginners, which will
lead interested people (potential customers) to your site. Here you might give tips, that are already freely available in WWW, but this info will be
of more value with supporting videos and photos ... just be more professional than others. And once the site has a lot of traffic, you might try to
find advertising partners like Google or well known luthiers and music shops for example.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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The bottom line from the comments so far is that you need to do some video work, and some web development to quickly set up a professional site that
will attract people and meet the standards that people are used to. Obviously you are just starting, but before people will even start lessons,
you will probably have to attract people over and over, which in reality calls for a constant stream of interesting novelty. From developing
e-commerce sites I can tell you it's a lot more work getting from the first step (which is where you are now) to the second step, than it is going
from nothing to the first step.
The little clip your student shot is a good start, you should make that be noticed immediately.
I would suggest you try to find a bright computer-oriented student locally with whom you can trade lessons for web and media development services. The
barter system is excellent if you don't have a lot of capital. Another way is to bring someone in as a partner whose skills and enthusiasm complement
yours.
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@Ameer: i will make the price plan on webpage and welcome to you
@Sazi: your words means alot for me really thank you and i hope to be good friends
@Chris: many thanks for your nice words,i play some other instruments but i love oud the most. i will make the prices on page, the session is 1.5
hours, my music is oriental and classic western so welcome to sharing music with you or any artist in the world.
@fernandraynaud,Chris: Iam working now to record some videos and some articles but Oud and Oriental needs communication between teacher and
students,and i will make a class for begineers its price will be low but teaching will be in groups!
@all:
Many thanks for all of you!
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Hi again!
I think, the more different instruments you can teach, the more potential customers you might find. But maybe first concentrate on the oud.
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How about 45 minutes for half the price? That looks cheaper ... and some people
might prefer shorter lessons for several reasons.
| Quote: | | ..., my music is oriental and classic western so welcome to sharing music with you or any artist in the world. |
I'll keep that in mind ... tell it others on your website too. Working as a studio musician and/or composer might become a second business. So maybe
think of videos in that section of your website too, showing your virtuosity and creativity.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Another thought: when I hear "oriental" I think more China and Japan than Egypt, Syria, etc which is more "middle eastern." You might consider
changing to a middle eastern rather than oriental emphasis to avoid any confusion.
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@Chris: i take your suggestion and i have updated site with 45 minutes prices
@ameer: i take your suggestion and changed oriental with arabian
@all i welcome any suggestion or opinions
Thanks!
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| Quote: Originally posted by ameer | | Another thought: when I hear "oriental" I think more China and Japan than Egypt, Syria, etc which is more "middle eastern." |
In Germany "oriental" means "near eastern" (and North Africa) ... just like in the film "Oriental Express" ... China and Japan is "far eastern" or
Asia.
I never had imagined, that it might be different in other countries.
I checked a dictionary and in English "orient" it seems it can have three meanings ... whole Asia, middle eastern or far eastern.
How about "arabian"/"arabic"? Is that clearly defined? Are connotations only with Saudi-Arabia possible?
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A further idea:
You originally offered: Price by session - 17€ or 25$ for 90 minutes. When you now offer 45 min. as standard lessons, you might consider
the 90 min. lesson as a special offer:
45 minute lesson = 12.50$
double lesson (90 min) = 20$ or 22$
Just a thought.
PPS: Sorry, I didn't see a price difference already built in. I think the hint for the 45 min. lessons is to far down the page.
Greetings from Germany
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In Germany "oriental" means "near eastern" (and North Africa) ... just like in the film "Oriental Express" ... China and
Japan is "far eastern" or Asia.
I never had imagined, that it might be different in other countries.
I checked a dictionary and in English "orient" it seems it can have three meanings ... whole Asia, middle eastern or far eastern.
This is a fascinating area of language. Many nuances don't show up in dictionaries for some time, as they come from pop culture. Yes, in American,
Orient means "Far East". Another strange thing is that "Arabic" and "Arabian" have different emotional nuances. "Arabian" associates with "Arabian
Nights", or "Lawrence of Arabia", and sounds romantic, without political issues.
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For a german, it's the same with "orient" or "oriental", though with "arabian" it's similar ... but the term "middle east" reminds me of the "bloody"
daily news.
Greetings from Germany
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| Quote: Originally posted by Aymara | | Quote: Originally posted by ameer |
A further idea:
You originally offered: Price by session - 17€ or 25$ for 90 minutes. When you now offer 45 min. as standard lessons, you might consider
the 90 min. lesson as a special offer:
45 minute lesson = 12.50$
double lesson (90 min) = 20$ or 22$
Just a thought.
PPS: Sorry, I didn't see a price difference already built in. I think the hint for the 45 min. lessons is to far down the page.
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there is no problem may i make this as a special offer for this forum`s members
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So we're agreed that the word "Arabian" is a happy way to describe this music? 
Hassan, just don't get discouraged if it takes time for people to sign up. In America, anyway, people circle a car they are thinking of buying for a
long time, and examine it. It's called "kicking the tires", because people will often do that, maybe to make sure they don't fall off right away
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| Quote: Originally posted by fernandraynaud | So we're agreed that the word "Arabian" is a happy way to describe this music?
Hassan, just don't get discouraged if it takes time for people to sign up. In America, anyway, people circle a car they are thinking of buying for a
long time, and examine it. It's called "kicking the tires", because people will often do that, maybe to make sure they don't fall off right away
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No problem Fernand, i know this and i will upload some additonal videos and i will discuss one of Maqams in one of these to encourage people.
anyway thank you for your support!
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