Jonathan
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Need help with label (Armenian)
I was just given this oud fragment, and hope that somebody can help me with the label.
I see the 1947, of course, and then August 15, but I really need help with everything else.
Thanks!
Is that third line down Gayserili (Kayserili)??
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Jonathan
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And, I need help with the base of the oud, as well. I don't know of the exact name for it, but this is a contraction of several letters, which was a
pretty common thing for Armenian craftsmen to do. I have seen similar contractions on rugs, Van silverwork, Kutahya ceramics, and metalwork. The
hard part is figuring out what the letters are, though.
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I have fixed up the label a bit with photoshop. Maybe it is clearer this way:
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On the base, though, I am guessing that there is an A, an Sh, an M, an I or an R, and perhaps an H and an N. Could be Minas something, but I just
don't know.
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Hard to tell too much about it, but I kind of thought that the fingerboard was cool, and I do like those letters on the base. Otherwise, nothing too
interesting about it.
Thanks again. You guys helped me figure out an Atikyan label a year or so ago, so I am guessing somebody can figure this one out.
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it's tough to make out but it says something like
1947
Okostos 15 Marcel
Kayserili
Jebrayel G. (Timodey?)
Marangoz No. 478
(marangoz is carpenter in turkish)
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Maran, thanks! I just edited my top post before I read your post questioning whether or not it was Kayserili!
I really appreciate it. It means a bit more to me now, since that is where my grandparents were from (that general area, anyway).
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I wonder if it could be Marseille? On the other hand, I guess if Marangoz is a street, then this guy was probably still in Turkey. Or, perhaps he is
just referring to his profession, and that this was his 478th oud (seems unlikely).
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I don't think the oud was ever finished. The wood is raw, and there seems to be no wear. A mystery.
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Are you going to look into getting the oud finished? It seems like it could be quite nice.
If so who could you take oud like that to get finished?
regards
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I don't think so. I am way over oud budget! But, at some point in the future, I might.
I think just about any oudmaker could do the job. In the US, I have used Kyvelos and Najarian for repairs, but I am sure that there are a lot of
people here that could do the job. And, of course, overseas you would have your pick.
Last year, I posted pictures of an Atikyan oud that was pretty much destroyed. I recently sent this to Kyvelos for his thoughts as to whether or not
it is salvageable, and, if I go ahead and get it done, I will let you know.
Here are those pics:
http://mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=1262#pid14030
The thing is, I have another Atikyan oud, and I love it. I don't think that this oud is/was all that special--look at the sloppy purfling at the
base.
I guess the thing is, I don't know at this point what I would be saving. Without the face, the braces, the rosettes, it isn't really an oud by this
Kaserili Jebrayel guy. And, it wouldn't be an oud by the repairer, either.
So, in the meantime, I am getting a pretty nice collection of kindling.
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