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Manol Dated 1915?

aytayfun - 11-26-2009 at 11:00 AM

Hi Guys.
As you know I always interested with Manol ouds. A few days ago one of friends told me about a Manol dated as 1915. However, I know that Manol died at 1914. So is it possible for a Manol dated in 1915?

Jonathan - 11-26-2009 at 11:09 AM

I think Manol died in 1916.

veyselmaster - 11-26-2009 at 01:59 PM

Hı Dear Dr Tayfun
Manol Died at 1914 . Manol couzens have made oud after manol since 1918 .
Manol couzens name is Victor davakallos .
My father writing a book all the Armenian and greece master and Turkish master live .
My father have MANOL picture and put in the new book . :wavey:

Matthias - 11-26-2009 at 02:32 PM

Quote: Originally posted by aytayfun  
Hi Guys.
As you know I always interested with Manol ouds. A few days ago one of friends told me about a Manol dated as 1915. However, I know that Manol died at 1914. So is it possible for a Manol dated in 1915?


Hello,

some days ago I found this about Manol in the web. Unfornunately I cannot read this, but it seems to be clear that he died in 1915 and his last instrument is No: 168. from 1915

MANOL (EMMANUİL VENYOS) (1845-1915)
İstanbul Ortaköy'de doğmuştur. Rum asıllıdır, ilk mesleği mobilya cilacıhğıdır. Daha sonra doğramacılık yapmış ve sonradan çalgı yapımma başlamıştır (1870). Dükkanı Beyoğlu İstiklal caddesinde idi. Özellikle ud yapımında kazandığı ün günümüze kadar süregelmiştir. Lavta da yapmıştır. En seçkin çırakları olarak Bahriyeli Mustafa ve Victor De Kavalla bilinmektedir. Manol Udları Udiler arasında hala değerim sürdürmektedir. Manol Ud yapısmm en belirgin görünüş özelliği sırt fletolarında kullandığı ince ve birbirine bitişik sarısiyah fletolardır. Manol udlarının sırt fletoları genellikle 19 veya 21 parçalıdır. Bu fletolarda maun ağacı kullanmıştır. Yazar Sermet Muhtar Alus (1887-1952), 28. 9. 1947 tarihi Akşam gazetesinde aynen şöyle yazıyor: "Galata'da tramvay caddesinde, yüz yıllık işkembecinin iki üç kapı berisinde küçük bir dükkandaymış. Ben pek çocuktum hatırlamıyorum... Udlarının en ucuzu 5 adet sarı lira, nakışlıları 8-10 lira." İstanbulda ölmüştür. Ud etiketleri: Manoliden inşa olunmuştur. Galata Sandıkçılar Cd. No. 168. 1907 Zenne Lavta etiketi: Emmanuü Venyos Deraliyyede Galata. Sandıkçılar 168 numaralı. 1876 Zenne Ud etiketi: Manoliden inşa olunmuştur. Der-âliyyede Galata Sandıkçılar caddesi No: 168. 1915

regards Matthias

veyselmaster - 11-26-2009 at 03:13 PM

I have got alet of document abaout the Manol Master . But ı dont write this place .
Manol have died 1914 .

Best Regars

aytayfun - 11-27-2009 at 12:07 AM

Thank you for your kind interest. I think he died in 1914. Maybe his cousins made (Manol) labelled ouds. Who knows.:rolleyes:

Matthias - 11-27-2009 at 12:59 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Matthias  
Quote: Originally posted by aytayfun  
Hi Guys.
As you know I always interested with Manol ouds. A few days ago one of friends told me about a Manol dated as 1915. However, I know that Manol died at 1914. So is it possible for a Manol dated in 1915?


Hello,

some days ago I found this about Manol in the web. Unfornunately I cannot read this, but it seems to be clear that he died in 1915 and his last instrument is No: 168. from 1915

MANOL (EMMANUİL VENYOS) (1845-1915)
İstanbul Ortaköy'de doğmuştur.
.....


Yust for my own information, I looked again in the web where I found the above given information. I found more, but it seems they all took their informations one from another. But anyway I will give you here the links, including a link to a PDF file which is an absolutely new document from H. Serdar Çakırer¹, Tolga Oter² and published by Selçuk Üniversitesi Ahmet Keleşoğlu Eğitim Fakültesi Dergisi, Sayı 27, Sayfa 307 -323, 2009

http://egitim.selcuk.edu.tr/Egt-Fak-Dergi/Sayilar/sayi%2027/27_20_E...

http://www.muzikdersleri.net/turk-lutiyeleri-t-17986.html
http://www.vartanants.com/koro/osmanlimuzigi.htm
http://www.turkmusikisi.com/calgilar/turk_lutiyeleri.htmErmeni Müzigi
http://www.sevtari.net/muzik-sohbet/9852-ermeni-muzigi.html

enjoy the informations.

Matthias

aytayfun - 11-27-2009 at 03:32 PM

Thank you Mathias.

Jonathan - 11-27-2009 at 03:42 PM

Cengiz Sarikus, Matthias--thanks for the valuable info.

Matthias-- the 168 does not refer to instrument number. It is on all of the Manol labels I have seen. It refers, I am pretty sure, to his address. Check out these pictures:

http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=5788#pid346...

And, without trying to take this thread offr topic, I would be extremely interested if anybody has any ideas as to what that symbol is that shows up on some of Manol's labels, as described in the link above.