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tatyos rast music sheet?

Onglon - 11-1-2017 at 02:01 PM

hello!

it is time for me to consider a meaty rast piece, and i have started working on rast tatyos, but couldn't find an arabic music sheet on the net, or indeed in the forum (there is a reference in old posts, but attachment not showing), if someone happens to have it?

thank you in advance

John Erlich - 11-2-2017 at 08:08 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Onglon  
hello!

it is time for me to consider a meaty rast piece, and i have started working on rast tatyos, but couldn't find an arabic music sheet on the net, or indeed in the forum (there is a reference in old posts, but attachment not showing), if someone happens to have it?

thank you in advance

If you are on Facebook, I have posted 2 Arabic scores of the piece here: https://www.facebook.com/turkishmusicfornonturks/photos/a.4110907757...

Best,
"Udi" John

Onglon - 11-3-2017 at 02:43 AM

many thanks!

Onglon - 11-16-2017 at 07:59 PM

looking at the two versions of this sama3i rast, the 3rd khana is very different! it has 6 measures in the first and 8 in the bashir jamil version. How is that possible?

John Erlich - 11-17-2017 at 11:59 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Onglon  
looking at the two versions of this sama3i rast, the 3rd khana is very different! it has 6 measures in the first and 8 in the bashir jamil version. How is that possible?


Brian Prunka is more the expert on this than I am. My guess is that most Middle Eastern music was subject to very long periods of oral transmission before being committed to writing in relatively recent times. Based on personal experience with oral transmission of music, I'd say it's not at all unusual for musical variations--some might call them "mistakes"--to occur and be incorporated. This is especially true when the transmission is between cultures, and it based on, for example, a single transmission. (For example, many years ago, I learned a Hebrew "pizmon" version of the Arabic song "Lamma Bada" and taught it to my band, based only on one recording. I interpreted a bit of lazimah as part of the "core" melody, and taught it that way. Now there are several dozen people out there who know the song "Lamma Bada" "incorrectly."). Brian Prunka has published some scores which show typical differences in how a piece is played by Arabs vs. Turks.

Hope that helps.

Peace out,
"Udi" John

Onglon - 11-17-2017 at 05:33 PM

it makes sense, thank you for the response. it is then good it hasn't diverged even more!