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Dokhtarak Joolideh - classification

Chris-Stephens - 4-6-2023 at 08:37 AM

https://youtu.be/p3nM9psZNDI

I've been learning this well known composition by master Alinaqi Vaziri !

Does anyone know if this piece would be classified as a Reng or Chahar-mezrab, or maybe some other established form in Persian classical music? It has a strong 123,123 feel in the timing, maybe 3/4 or 6/8

It may not fit into these as Ostad Vaziri was something of an innovator and genre-blender. Just curious!

coolsciguy - 4-6-2023 at 10:04 AM

Hi Chris,

Nice piece to select, certainly challenging as well. As you said it yourself, Vaziri pieces have a category of their own and don't quite fit within traditional boundaries.This piece sounds somewhere between a Reng and a Chahar-Mezrab.

Jody Stecher - 4-6-2023 at 12:43 PM

The liner notes of one recording I have call it "an instrumental" so you're in good company. Maybe its category is "none of the above". The title seems to indicate a girl with messy hair. It's in the Uncombed Category maybe.
Does anyone know what that oud is? Good appearance and sound!

Jody Stecher - 4-6-2023 at 12:45 PM

One score puts it in 6/8 time.

https://www.youscribe.com/BookReader/Index/1317244/?documentId=12962...

coolsciguy - 4-6-2023 at 01:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Jody Stecher  
The liner notes of one recording I have call it "an instrumental" so you're in good company. Maybe its category is "none of the above". The title seems to indicate a girl with messy hair. It's in the Uncombed Category maybe.
Does anyone know what that oud is? Good appearance and sound!



Hi Jody,

It's likely made by "Massoud Agha mohammadi" in Tehran:

https://www.instagram.com/oud.masoud/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BhHigsUDwxC/

He is among the top oud makers in Iran, some rank him as the very best.

John Erlich - 4-6-2023 at 01:44 PM

Looking at this score kind of makes my eyes bleed; this may be a case in which learning by ear is actually easier. But, in case you get stuck or want to compare to what you believe you hear, I found one here: https://notkade.com/%D9%86%D8%AA-%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%AF%D8%AE%D8%... Also, here is a version played on baglama: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBNqT1N8JrE&ab_channel=Soranpour...

Chris-Stephens - 4-7-2023 at 11:51 AM

Woooow that ?elpe version is amazing! Although i think the notes are a bit more like hijaz kar than chahar-gah, maybe the 2nd and 6th koron notes are either flatter in his region than Iran proper. I believe it was Ostad Vaziri who evenly divided the octave into perfect quartertones and came up with the score marks to transcribe persian microtones!