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Maqam Lami

DaveH - 6-25-2008 at 10:37 AM

Could someone confirm for me how maqam lami works? I can't seem to find it on any of the web resources. There was reference to it on these forums, but I can't find an answer. As I understand from listening to recordings, if its based on A, the scale goes A, Bb, C, D, Eb, F, G. Is this correct? If so, I think this would make it roughly equivalent to the Western Locrian mode, which usually only exists theoretically because it doesn't contain a perfect 5th.

Jassim - 6-25-2008 at 11:13 AM

Maqam lami
Re - Mi ( b ) - Fa - Sol -La ( b ) - Si ( b ) - Do - Re

Oud Freak - 6-25-2008 at 11:48 AM

DaveH,
the lami scale is equivalent the scale of the B mode (b c d e f g a b'). The scale u propose is also correct.

Masel - 6-25-2008 at 02:11 PM

There is a great samai lami by Zallach al Queiti, try to find it. Lami is a simple maqam, it starts on the fourth degree, and gradually moves down to the tonic at the end. Modulaitons (on the tonic or fourth degree) are strictly bayat, saba, or saba zamzama, or lami transposed a whole fourth up.

DaveH - 6-26-2008 at 12:00 PM

Thanks for that Jassim, oudfreak, masel. As you say, it's simple but it's pretty, isn't it? I was going to ask about modulations. I like bayat. Masel, what about Sikkah on the quarter tone below the tonic (ie A/b from lami on A). Somehow I liked this but not sure if it's generally acceptable.

Masel - 6-27-2008 at 08:23 PM

Segah is not part of maqam lami, though it sounds intersting combination I'll try it. Lami is very restricted modulation wise, from lami A you could modulate to bayat, saba or saba zamzama on A or D, as well as lami on D like I said. I think kurd isn't even concidered a part of lami (though they modes of each other).

katakofka - 6-27-2008 at 09:14 PM

Here is Jamil Bashir playing the Lami
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFLhQ9dW--U

DaveH - 6-28-2008 at 02:45 AM

Thanks guys. Gee, that's a beautiful clip, katakofka. There was nobody like Jamil Bashir.

DaveH - 6-28-2008 at 03:02 AM

By the way, that youtube link led me to a very nice lami semai by the great Ghanem Hadad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9lZ62yXAE8&feature=related

katakofka - 6-28-2008 at 03:03 AM

Here is a very old song for Nazem el ghazali, singing the Lami scale (notice the bayat modulation during Mawaal singing). The song begans at 4:50 min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddNovArzOAA

Masel - 6-28-2008 at 10:46 AM

Here's a great song by Zalach al-Qweiti, sung by Salima Murad, it's called ya nuba'at al reihan, also in lami.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7bb_fHpbCQ&feature=related

katakofka - 6-28-2008 at 07:30 PM

Masel, do you know if Salima Murad is related to Layla Murad? they ressemble a lot. It could be her sister?

Masel - 6-29-2008 at 01:20 PM

Salima Murad was born Salima pasha, she was an iraqi jew, Layla Murad was an egyptian jew, but I don't think they were related.

DaveH - 6-29-2008 at 01:32 PM

Thanks both for the references - they're really helpful. D

PS if anyone has sheet music for the semai lami by Zalakh al Kuwaiti that Masel refers to, I'd love it if it could be shared.

D