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Taksim Hijaz ( Sombati's)

mrkmni - 9-13-2009 at 12:11 PM

Hi Guys,
Here my try of the Hijaz taksim of Sombati after two weeks of practicing...
I changed the Kafla ( finishing) of the third part.
I wonder the swich to bayati at the end was really brutal...
Please if you have any comment do not hesitate..We are here to share ...
Thanks,


http://www.4shared.com/file/132382915/a0c3ad3c/Hijaz-s.html

David.B - 9-14-2009 at 02:19 AM

To be honest, I've got to work on it to understand and give a good critic. Right now, I can say the Bayati part is a little brutal but that sounds ok ! It contrasts, not hurts... To me the biggest difference is about the sound, I think your recording is more "objective", Sombati's one sounds really bassy with resonance like in a wide room. But I'm not a specialist neither a technician. I know many of you have a better ear about this subject !

mrkmni - 9-18-2009 at 10:14 AM

Hi David,
I have soudforge software. It is full of options; I can get any resonance or ambiance I want.
Sombti recordings were commercial, so the must have been recorded professionally...
And of course no comparison between my oud and Sombati s even if the technology advaces every day.

David.B - 9-19-2009 at 04:36 AM

No don't do that ! Keep a natural sound, it's better to compare and work with. I like Riyad al Sombati's music but in spite of the commercial sound. I would prefer to talk to you about the structure of his music, it's a shame nobody discusses about the different maqamat in use, the ghammaz and hassas al hassas... Back on the form : what kind of microphone do you use ? There is a lot of breath on the recording, to me it's the best thing you could improve. I use this microphone :

http://www.sony.fr/product/pam-music/ecm-ds70p

Not pro, but no breath. The best micro for the price ! (if you've got 60 € to invest of course)

About the way you work : you needed 2 weeks to get the whole taksim in your fingers without any scores, didn't you ?

mrkmni - 9-19-2009 at 05:11 PM

Hi David,
I uploaded a new file ( same but smaller)

It is true that when you do one or two taksims of Sombati the others become easy and yes, I humbly can That I can master any taksim of Sombati because what I learned is his Risha.

This microphone I bought it years ago from ebay ( I think for 1 $) but I do not use it. So, sometimes I use the microphone of the camera when I record videos, othertimes I use Olympus recorder, a good device, also sometimes I use the microphone of my laptop....
Al hassas is the last note in the maqam.. it is really hassa ( sensitive).
thanks David...

David.B - 9-20-2009 at 02:17 AM

Hi mrkmni,

You're last file sounds in the same spirit of the original (more bassy).

Quote: Originally posted by mrkmni  
It is true that when you do one or two taksims of Sombati the others become easy and yes, I humbly can That I can master any taksim of Sombati because what I learned is his Risha.


Happy to read that, I started the taksim Shadd `Araban by George Abyad in January of this year and I finished the analysis yesterday night... but I must be lazy ;)

Interesting, to me hassas means "leading tone" (in music of course) : in maqam Hijaz the F# is the hassas of G, and the E# can be considered as a hassas al-hassas (double "leading tone"). This is a really interesting point : what words for what meanings ? It should be the subject of a thread...