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You can clearly see the upward angle of attack. Wa'el holds the risha very loose with a very open palm - other players tend to close the hand around
the risha more. He also tends to craddle the oud higher, sort of halfway between arabic and turkish approaches. Everybody seems to have a slightly
different "style" - Here's a view from the top:
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One more photo
This is Afif Taian - you'll notice how tight an angle his wrist is at, almost 90°! At this moment he is playing near the bridge - something he likes
to do a lot. He has a very percussive technique. You can see the angle of the risha (even though you can't see the risha itself because its moving soo
fast) - again, angled up like Simon Shaheen! When Afif uses tremolo he moves back towards the bridge and uses mostly the tip of the risha with very
strong up and down strokes. He told me an excercise he uses - strong down (rest) stroke, up, down (free) stroke... try to make the tempo very even but
place the emphasis on the first down stroke. You can also see that he cradles the oud around the end but places the edge of the oud halfway up the
forearm - his arm is in-line with the strings but the risha engages the strings right near the bridge. He also holds the risha with the plam enclosing
it, fingers wrapped around but NOT gripping it tight. The hand actually forms a pocket around the risha without tightly gripping it!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Brian Prunka
Jameel, I think your picking is right, with C# Bb C# being all down.
It seems impossible at top speed, but I think that's how simon is doing it. Note the slight pause between the first C# and the subsequent Bb . . .
An alternative fingering is possible in this part:
C#1 [shift] D1 E3 D1 [shift] E1 F2 G4 F2 [shift]G1 A3 Bb4
but I think yours is better pecause it preserves the symmetry of the finger motion. |
Thanks, Brian!
And Lee, great pics!
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One last picture
Afif again - you can see the angle of his wrist and where his forearm touches the oud - the risha angles up again.
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That down-up-down exercise is great, I was introduced to it while studying guitar years ago and was reintroduced to it by Bassam Saba. You can also
do it on a pair of strings in various ways, or change which of the strokes is emphasized for further control.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jason
I've been experimenting with holding the oud and risha more like Shaheen. I find it tiring to come from behind the oud as much as he does, I think I
just haven't found the exact position I need to be in.
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Hi Jason,
Being able to hold your oud like Simon Shaeen I think will depend on the depth of the bowl in some cases and will also depend on your body size. If
you a have a big belly like mine "I love Egyptian food" then the oud will sit in a way that will be hard to reach the strings if your arm come from
behind it. Keep trying .. you will get your self in a comfortable position for sure. Just wach for the safety of your back. I saw lots of oud player
shaped like the bowl out line.
Lee,
I can never forget or deny that you are always there when asked for help. Thanks a lot. 
Brian,
Your input in this thread is what made it a great one thank you. Keep it a alive good man
Jameel,
Thank you for your nice input ... highly appreciated mate.
To all who joined this cool thread ... Big thanks.
I invite all oud beginners to ask their risha technique questions.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Brian Prunka
That down-up-down exercise is great, I was introduced to it while studying guitar years ago and was reintroduced to it by Bassam Saba. You can also
do it on a pair of strings in various ways, or change which of the strokes is emphasized for further control. |
I'm not getting it. Could you explain it in a little more detail?
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Jameel,
try on a single string to play groupings of three, in the pattern down-up-down. This way you'll end up with the first and last strokes bothe being
down. The first down stroke is a rest stroke, resting on the next string, followed by an upstroke, then by another down stroke. the last downstroke
is free, not resting on a string but coming back around to play the down stroke that will start the next grouping.
Emad, thanks for the kind words, man. It was a good idea for you to start this thread
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By the way, Al Bardezbanian (Gardner) has his hand come around the front of the instrument like Simon and he's rather rotund, so i think it can be
done.
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To the next level
| Quote: | Originally posted by Brian Prunka
Emad, thanks for the kind words, man. It was a good idea for you to start this thread |
Cheers Brian, 
Do you think you can provide a close up short video for us to have a better understanding to your example?
Jameelo, I guess you can too. You are a great film producer 
cool thread indeed
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Sorry Emad, I don't have a video camera . . .
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| Quote: | Originally posted by billkilpatrick
ronny is one of those nordic trolls you hear about who live in caves and under bridges and frighten the wits out of passing billy goats.
That was funny Billy )
he is also very knowledgeable of all things oud(y) and very generous with it. he used to have a beautiful site called "iraqi oud" or something like
that but the last time i tried it, the server he uses (used?) seemed more intent on hooking me up with a swedish "escort" than telling me the where
ronny and his ouds had gotten to.
My site can be found here http://www.iraqioud.com This site is to commercial and really don't like it when I'm in to playing, teaching more than to sell ouds....so this
site will most likely be removed soon and a new site my own music is scheduled.
Btw how did you like the Swedish escorts Any oud player among
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Originally posted by LeeVaris
I think the photo of Simon is very telling. Simon holds the oud like many arabic players with his shoulders relaxed and his arm coming around the rear
of the instrument. This places his hand/arm parallel and inline with the strings. The risha is pointing up so the flat part is angled down, flat part
facing the strings - when the risha hits the string in a down stroke it will push the string slightly into the oud causing the string to vibrate in
& out from the face - you get a completely different sound - rounder with a swelling volume - than when the string vibrates side to side across
the face. This hand position favors volume on down strokes which definitely makes sense with arabic style!
Although its really hard to see, Munir Bashir's hand position in the video with Omar posted on the videos page, is very different. The risha, for the
most part points towards the pegbox, almost paralel to the strings - he generally takes a straighter attack with the risha more perpendicular rather
than angled. The risha doesn't enter the strings as deeply and the result is a thinner crisper sound. Of course both musicians mix things up a bit
from these basic approaches for dynamic variation.
Yes correct Lee, the Bashir style is completely different all other styles of playing and I'll upload couple of videos with me playing his own
compositons to better show the right hand technique than what you can see on the tape with Omar and Munir.
Best wishes
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Thanks Ronny!.
Nice to see your still around
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yeah ... where you been?
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Ronny, We are waiting for your videos
Com'on man
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