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TruePharaoh21
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What's the likelihood that an ordinary oud player gets a Nahat oud? Ordinary in the sense that he's not Abadi el-Johar, or any other famous
big-time oud players known around the world. Does anyone have any recordings for any of the Nahats? Perhaps a research idea would be nice to
distinguish between the sounds of the different Nahat makers.
I highly doubt I'm going to buy the 14K Nahat oud, just because I don't want to sell my body to science just yet. 
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Ronny Andersson
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TP21, That's why reliable professional musicians like Adel must tell us their opinions about modern copies.
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Adel
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Ist Ronny, your e mail address does not work,
I might be a good musician, but when it comes to computer I am very very bad,
So, can any body please help me to post some of my 1930 Jamil Georgy oud photos to you please.
many thanks,
Salamat,
Adel
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TruePharaoh21
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Adel, you want to post them here? I can help you out, if you like... do you know how to send them by mail? E-mail me either way...
truepharaoh21@hotmail.com I'd be honored to help you out.
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Ronny Andersson
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>Ist Ronny, your e mail address does not >work,
hmmm..
>I might be a good musician,
hmmm...
>but when it comes to computer I am >very very bad,
Who cares about computers? 
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Ronny
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Adel
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Many thanks Ronny and Peter.
Peter did you receive my e mail?
Ok, some of you might find this oud a bit too much, too much Ivory, but I like it and I love the sound of it....
I am sorry I do not have the best oud which represent jamil Georgy's work but this will do...
Salamat,
Adel
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mavrothis
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Hi Adel, how is your Gameel George doing? Are you playing it now?
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Adel
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Very well my friend thank you, How are you Mav?
Salamat,
Adel
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Ronny Andersson
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>Ok, some of you might find this oud a bit >too much, too much Ivory, but I like it >and I love the sound of it....
My first oud was a cheap poor Egyptian inlaid one...but I loved the fancy style and I still do. The Bashir is little bit Bahaus...
I lookforward to see it!
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Ronny Andersson
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The copied text below is from a British museum. I wonder about the maker..
'ud': Arab lute
3 Arabia, ca 1875
5 6 double courses, without frets. Body: 19 ribs; the top rib is a reinforcing strip. Belly: unvarnished pine; the fixed endbar has a top section of
strips of rosewood, box and ebony laid longitudinally, with 5 pairs of holes for double courses of strings to be knotted through; fixed to the belly a
tortoise-shell plate with shield-shaped ends, between the endbar and the soundhole; also between the plate and the soundhole is a pierced hole.
Fingerboard: bone. Nut: ivory. Head: gently curved, angled at ca 130°; 10 lateral pegs (?oak), with ivory knob at the ends. Finial: square; on an
ebony block, a convex-sided square of ebony with an ebony pin protruding as a knob. length 780, body 470, width 370, depth 210
6 2 labels inside bearing faded handwriting in Arabic (transcribed but as yet untranslated)
7 the ribs with satinwood stringing between, striped obliquely with rosewood and ebony; a geometric plaque of marquetry within a banded arc of
rosewood, box and ivory; the hole between the plate and the soundhole is surrounded with marquetry stringing of ebony and boxwood, with a carved
pierced ivory inset, an assymetrical ornament of curlicues embodying a goblet and an Arabic word. Sound-hole: surrounded with a ring of rosewood, box
and ebony stringing, and contains an ivory rose carved in an intricate symmetrical design of loops, arcades, hearts and fleurs-de-lys, with a gold
(?gilt) centre of 8 scrolls surrounding a green (glass) gem. At top end of body a heart-shaped plate of ivory continuing the design of the
fingerboard, Fingerboard: ivory, inlaid with a rosewood inlaid design of running scrolling foliage incorporating what are either flowers or bells with
3 clappers each. Neck: inlaid with boxwood foliate loops like a shepherd's crook in 3 rows separated by 2 lines of marquetry stringing; the same
decoration is carried along the back of the head. Inside: a collage scene, in colour, of Europeans at picnic on a hill above an Italianate townscape;
a bearded man pours wine for a straw-hatted lady; on lh side a boy with plate of fruit looks on; on rh side an older lady and boy with watering-can;
below him a girl with grapes; held in a disembodied hand, a pigeon bears in its beak the date (?1875); another woman with wineglass; at extreme rh
side a pageboy with sword and shield bearing an elegant Arabic monogram. Finger-board in ivory inlaid with bone; arabesques on back of neck
10 condition fine
12 S 5
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TruePharaoh21
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Adel sent me these photos for the Georgy oud. I hope you all enjoy them.
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TruePharaoh21
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Adel
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Thank you peter
salamat
Adel
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TruePharaoh21
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No problem, Adel. It was my pleasure.
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TruePharaoh21
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Oops, I think I posted the Georgy one under the post in the Ouds, Ouds, Ouds post. Here, I'll post it here as well.
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mavrothis
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TP, I believe these are all pictures of the Gameel George oud.
Looks beautiful, I'm glad to see it's fully restored.
Play it with health!
mav
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Al Billings
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Nahat
Someone should indeed study the Nahat ouds and perhaps uncover the details that make this brand of oud so sought after. But it will be a challenge,
with the Nahats flung all over the globe, never mind talking owners into allowing a luthier to remove the tops! In America, a company like C.F. Martin
has been building guitars in the same factory for over 100 years and they still have tops and other tonewoods from the turn of the century, so
it's relatively easy for an American builder to study them and make a guitar that's very close to the sound of the old Martins. And in the
same way that a violin maker needs to see many examples of a great maker's instruments, I would think that an oud maker would need to examine
closely numerous ouds before some understanding of their sound qualities and materials can be reproduced. Adel, what do you have to say about this?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TruePharaoh21
Oops, I think I posted the Georgy one under the post in the Ouds, Ouds, Ouds post. Here, I'll post it here as well.
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Decorated like a Baroque lute with a plain front to - decorations at the right place. Unusual in my eyes.
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Ronny Andersson
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Adel, Did Jamil Georgy also made more decorated ouds with intarsia on the bowl like the Nahats? It seems that the Egyptian modern style with heavy
mother of pearl inlays like the Syrian ones I published, are mostly from the 2nd half of the 20th century.
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Adel
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Yes I agree with you Al billings.
Salamat
Adel
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Adel
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Ronny, most of Jamil Georgy's oud are very plain, I have not seen any oud like this made by Jamil Georgy......
Most Egyptian old ouds which I have seen are very simple ....But Khlil Al Johary used to make ouds with MOP.
Salamat
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Adel
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Hi Ronny,
Here is a better look at the back with the ivory work. The pickguard and neck is decorated with MOP though too. But for me, just the right amount. I
personally prefer simple ouds. Thanks to Mike for helping me learn how to make attachments.
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Adel
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Here is the pickguard:
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The shamseyya:
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The fingerboard:
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